To be totally gutted for American women?

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The US Supreme Court has reversed the Roe v Wade ruling. Millions of American women have lost their right to make decisions about what happens to their own bodies.

I have never had an abortion and personally, I'm not sure if I ever could, but I have always been passionately of the view that individual women should be able to make that choice for themselves. It's awful that this right has been removed for so many.

for those that are worried about the babies, do they not realise that this will lead to a massive rise in severely disabled children being born into an existence of pain and suffering for a few short hours if they’re lucky, years if not.

imo terminating a pregnancy that has issues so severe it won’t survive or have any quality if life if one of the greatest gifts a parent can give a child.

who’s going to pay for lifelong care? If the parents don’t have health insurance what then? Let the baby die? They hypocrisy…

i suppose they’ll have a consequential rise in the availability of infant organs though 🤷

No point arguing with this level of ignorance, but just so you know, you're fucking thick.

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I'll do my best to answer. Just because I don't support abortion everyone somehow expects me to be an expert, I don't recall stating I was such.

1. I would be happy to pay because I have the means. But in the vast majority of abortions where the child was simply unwanted, that should fall on the parents.

2. No, again in my opinion people who knowingly risk pregnancy should be willing to care for the product (baby) of that risk.

3. Of course men must be forced to provide support to their children, the how I am no expert on.

4. I believe that the decision in such horrific circumstances where you must choose the life of the mother or the child must be made as individuals. I think either choice results in a loss of life which is a tragedy.

I'm as entitled to my opinions as anyone else and I don't understand women who are supposedly in support of women's rights, attacking other women. They are in fact only interested in the rights of women who agree with them.

This has set women back decades!

It doesn’t matter whether ‘you’ agree with abortion or not. Many women find themselves in a position eg as a result of contraception failure, through coercion, abuse or rape, where it is completely detrimental to their mental or physical well-being or both! What about the women in an abusive relationship who don’t want to bring a child in to that environment? The women who are trying to escape an abuser and be free of them to start again?

It is horrifying that in 2022 the rights of those women to choose their future has been removed.

@FreyaStorm Freya, are you prepared to adopt, to fund orphanages or do you just want to have a go at women who are perhaps carrying non viable babies, or babies who will be born with severe disabilities? Will you volunteer to take a night shift for those mums or blame them for not knowing this may happen. Are you going to lecture those who had contraception failures, hold the hands of those with mental health problems?
Thought not.

It won’t. There is no way to reduce abortion without increasing the number of deaths. What’s the issue with using abortion as a contraception? Have you done it?

Of course they realise this. It doesn’t affect them so they don’t care. They’re also the ‘not my tax dollars’ type, so of course they won’t want to pay for care. They want to create a miserable society to elevate their own privilege and enable them to feel even more smug about their luck life choices

5) Support changes to the law that will serve harsher sentences on those who rape and rapes that lead to pregnancy? Would you support the death penalty for such a crime?
6) Support a change to the law holding men accountable for at least 50% of the medical costs associated with birth and any birthing injuries.

5. Yes I support the prosecution of rapists and I believe we need much more severe punishments than we currently have, although I am opposed to the death penalty.

6. Yes I would support men being liable for 50% of the costs, that's a good idea.

And how are you forcing someone to care willingly for a baby they didn’t want and can’t afford?

I'm as entitled to my opinions as anyone else and I don't understand women who are supposedly in support of women's rights, attacking other women. They are in fact only interested in the rights of women who agree with them.

What rights are you being denied by this development?

You do understand that in a society where abortion is safe and legal, you are not forced to get one? Right?!

No, again in my opinion people who knowingly risk pregnancy should be willing to care for the product (baby) of that risk.

What about in cases of rape?

What about in cases where contraception has failed?

You think women should be punished for daring to have sex don't you?

I hope their maternity rights change and all FATHER'S have the same responsibility if not full responsibility of these children born.

1. how would you establish whether the children are ‘unwanted’? Why should the child suffer because of the attitude or actions of the parents? Isn’t that why you oppose abortion in the first place?
2. again - you’re happy for children to be brought up by unfit parents who may neglect or even harm them. Why concentrate on keeping them safe in the womb, but give up on them once they’re out?
3. how would you force this given so many men don’t pay the maintenance they are legally obliged to do?
4. which would you choose? Your daughter or grandchild? Which?

all or your responses confirm my suspicion that your support of banning abortion is to punish the parents rather than because you truly care for the life and welfare of the kids. You want the kids well-being to be a lottery based on the actions of their parents, while also saying ‘all lives are valued, just because the parents have been irresponsible it doesn’t mean the fetus should be terminated’.

it makes zero sense?

A bunch of cells at approximately eight weeks.

Not unreasonable at all - I have been in pieces about it all day. How can they call themselves the Land of the Free when they’ve just taken away free choice for millions of women? Despicable.

So because I don't want to get pregnant, I shouldn't have sex with my husband? (Point 2).

So you think that the parents of the unwanted child should be responsible for looking after it. In other words, you would sooner condemn thousands of children to lives of potential poverty, neglect and abuse, perhaps with parents who are too young/too sick/too mentally unstable/too trapped in a cycle of poverty/substance abuse/abusive relationships etc to be able to care for them properly, than you would allow the woman to make a rational decision about what she does with her own body? Quite apart from the massive impact on the mother's physical and emotional health, this is no life for am innocent child.

You think that pro-life is the humane approach, but the reality is that you have no fucking idea.

Have you ever seen the brutal reality of rape? Or r@pe as you call it, which shows just how seriously you take it.

which would you choose? Your daughter or grandchild? Which?

What a ridiculous question. How on earth could anybody possibly know what they would do in that type of a situation.

The forced birthers are full of fucking shit. This isn't about being pro life, they're just pathetic little misogynists who are angry that women have the nerve to have and enjoy sex, and they want to punish women for it.

But will not in any way restrict the man’s increasingly vocal and increasingly secure “right” to sex, even over a woman’s ‘no’!

Well you’re happy to make a decision for a person who has been raped and assert that they should continue the pregnancy, so I assumed you would show similar strength of conviction when it came to an unpalatable scenario regarding your OWN family.

I'm as entitled to my opinions as anyone else and I don't understand women who are supposedly in support of women's rights, attacking other women. They are in fact only interested in the rights of women who agree with them.

Er... no. Disagreeing with someone on an Internet forum is not the same as wanting to deny them their rights. Its you who wants to do that.

Ever seen the brutal reality of a medical abortion? It should be more widely publicised (perhaps in schools). Might work better at lowering abortion rates than an actual legal ban

brutal? An early medical abortion is not brutal.

have you ever seen the brutal reality of birth?

passing a few weeks old foetus is nowhere near birthing a term baby on the brutality scale. You’re far less likely to die or sustain permanent injury, to start.