To be totally gutted for American women?

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The US Supreme Court has reversed the Roe v Wade ruling. Millions of American women have lost their right to make decisions about what happens to their own bodies.

I have never had an abortion and personally, I'm not sure if I ever could, but I have always been passionately of the view that individual women should be able to make that choice for themselves. It's awful that this right has been removed for so many.

I have a question for the forced birthers.

What do you think about a policy whereby every male by law has to get a vasectomy once they reach a certain age (say 15/16?) and then once they reach a stage in their life where they want to create a life, they can go and get it reversed and get their partner pregnant? The partner would also have to sign a document to say that they want to get pregnant. What is wrong with that idea? It would vastly reduce the number of terminated foetuses, far more than making abortion illegal would.

If that truly is the end goal, to stop innocent lives being terminated, then surely the above idea is a much better one?

Why would you want a woman who has had 10 abortions to have 10 children? What kind of adults are those children going to grow up to become?

My fave part of it is that in America, you can't get an abortion, but once that unwanted baby is born, it's just trailer trash republicans don't want...not as if they have any policies to help single mothers.

If someone has had 10 abortions then they clearly aren't using contraception to try and avoid the pregnancy from happening to begin with.

'They can just use contraception'

Well for now. Clarence Thomas outright said in the decision that they should next overturn the right to access contraception. Then what?

@FreyaStorm Until my mid 20s I thought nothing of abortion, other than it being a handy option to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy. No big deal. I was very ignorant about it. Saying that, I was militant about contraception and guess what, it worked!

Militant contraception?! 🤣

And what about rape? Do you think women should be denied an abortion in incest and rape circumstances?

No, Freya thinks that pregnancy through rape is statistically negligible therefore they don’t matter.

If someone has had 10 abortions then they clearly aren't using contraception to try and avoid the pregnancy from happening to begin with

if they have disabilities and learning difficulties that mean they don't grasp the concept of contraception?

but men still take advantage of such people who can’t adequately consent.

so someone who doesnmt understand contrsception should be force to birth multiple babies?

It’s really hard for me to articulate how I feel about this. I’m not pro choice and think there should be far more investment in contraceptive services and sex education for young people but I also believe that everyone should have the right to chose. It’s a sad fact that this isn’t going to reduce abortions it’s just going to make them unsafe.

Actually @FreyaStorm I’ve got another question - under which part of God’s Loving Plan did your Catholic school teach you about contraception?

@FreyaStorm @Brideandprejudice

What about war torn countries? Where rape is used as a weapon? Should they be forced to give birth? That's what you are - forced birth, not pro-life.

Yes I would have a different rule for women who were raped, and for unborn babies who had very serious, life limiting conditions or ectopic pregnancies.
I support abortion in those cases, as early as possible.

But if we’re honest with ourselves, the vast majority of abortions are the result of sloppy contraceptive use. I find those hard to justify.

How far along the pregnancy is also comes into it for me. How can you have babies aborted at 20 weeks + on one side of a hospital, left to die on a stainless steel kidney dish, whilst on the other side in the NICU, a 20 week baby will have everything at modern medicine’s disposal to keep it alive. I find that hard to reconcile.

I would be in favour of a time limit, say, 8 weeks. Abortion isn’t black or white for me, but on the whole I don’t support it morally.

i may be one of a very small minority but I was raped and fell pregnant as a young teen in the 1960s. I was dragged into a lock up while I was walking the dog in the early evening.

My mother and grandmother arranged a ‘back street’ abortion as that was all that was available. It was horrific and due to that I ended up with internal damage which left me unable to have children. If I had been able to have a safe, legal abortion my life could have been so different.

If I had been forced to carry that child I would have killed myself.

The rapist, of course, walked away and got on with his vile life.

I would not condemn one single female to go through what I did and end up with a ruined life like mine.

To you I may be part of an insignificant minority but it doesn’t feel like that to me.

Exactly this. Realistically, in any twelve mo th leriod a woman can only carry and birth one pregnancy whereas a man could potentially cause 365 pregnancies if he was to have sex with a different partner every day. Why is no one going after their reproductive rights?

Lol @FreyaStorm, you really think they're not coming for Griswold next?

No, again in my opinion people who knowingly risk pregnancy should be willing to care for the product (baby) of that risk.

Wait....so if I don't any more children, which I don't, I should simply withhold sex from my husband?

Is that what women are supposed to do? What if the men have a problem with that? What if they won't have it that sex is being withheld from them and they decide to force themselves on women? And then the women get pregnant....?

That’s illogical though - proving it was rape could take literally years. Best case scenario is what, six months? Which means a much later term abortion. So how come the life of that six month old foetus is suddenly worth less than at 11 weeks?

"Pro-life" isn't a thing in America. The land where they want to arm teachers, execute criminals, deprive the poor of food and shelter, and refuse the sick healthcare when they can't afford to pay. There is no sanctity of life in the US unless you haven't been born yet, apparently.
Its too disgusting for words

Yes I would have a different rule for women who were raped, and for unborn babies who had very serious, life limiting conditions or ectopic pregnancies.

So you are saying that a foetus that is conceived from rape has less value than a foetus who is conceived from consensual sex? It's not the foetuses fault it was created from rape is it?

How would that look then? Would you just take the woman’s word that she’d been raped, or wait until the man was (if) convicted and she’d probably already given birth?

Freya, 98% of abortions are before 12 weeks. I have provided a picture of eight week cells. 12 weeks is not significantly larger.

Also, if you’re going to take the woman’s word for it (which would be brilliant, obviously!) what’s to stop every woman who wants an abortion just saying they were raped?

Or maybe they can just change the law again and revert back to men legally being able to rape their wives?

I’d like an answer to this too, it might clarify matters. Although that still leaves the problem about sex following birth of agreed-upon children…

Btw many women are not even aware they’re pregnant by 8 weeks. Surely you would know that?

How far along the pregnancy is also comes into it for me. How can you have babies aborted at 20 weeks + on one side of a hospital, left to die on a stainless steel kidney dish, whilst on the other side in the NICU, a 20 week baby will have everything at modern medicine’s disposal to keep it alive. I find that hard to reconcile.

You come across as very ignorant.