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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

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JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

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JustLyra · 24/06/2022 11:18

bigbluebus · 24/06/2022 11:15

I wouldn't be bothering with these people again. They don't care about anyone but themselves.

I had a DD with severe disabilities and complex health needs (sadly died as a young adult 6 years ago). As a small child we used to attend a 'swimming' group at a hydrotherapy pool. The group was only attended by children with complex needs - although some more severe than others. One parent brought her child one week and announced that her other child had chicken pox. Sure enough the following day her 'swimming ' child came out in spots. A few days later my DD also came out in spots and like your DC she ended up in hospital. Vaccination for CP wasn't available back then. Just to add to the complications I was also in the early stages if pregnancy with DC2 (although selfish mother wouldn't have known that) and I had to frantically check whether I'd had CP as a child - which fortunately I had otherwise the consequences could have been even more severe.
But I just couldn't figure out how a parent of a child who had spent a lot of time in hospital and had respite at a childrens' hospice could have thought it was OK to bring her possibly infected child into that environment.

I’m so sorry for your loss.

People are selfish with stuff. DDs school had an incident with a parent sending their child in - to specialist school full of children with varying health and disability issues! - knowing they were positive for covid. The parent was going away and their ex was to pick up from school for their week so they sent them in regardless.

The kid told everyone within about 5 minutes because they had no filter. Just mind boggling.

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TheRoadToRuin · 24/06/2022 11:19

You have my sympathy OP and are right to be angry.
I think you should confront them and explain why your DC will not be allowed to mix with theirs again. Next time it might not be chicken pox, could be something else and it's not for them to make that decision.
I have to say I wonder if the replies on here would have been the same if it was covid and not chicken pox? Equally dangerous to such a vulnerable child and yet similar threads get responses along the lines of no point even testing etc.

007DoubleOSeven · 24/06/2022 11:19

Of course ynbu - at the very least you now know they're not safe for your children to be around and you need to protect your dd in future.

I am so sorry about your daughter. And I hope youre letting those those questioning your management of her health and teaching you to suck eggs go over your head.

JuneJubilee · 24/06/2022 11:19

RandomMess · 24/06/2022 09:54

I think it's unforgivable tbh.

They knew there DD had C-pox and was still infectious. To deliberately lie by omission to anyone let alone a family that they know has to be risk adverse?

Geez what if you other DD had died?

C-pox can be fatal in otherwise healthy children let alone CEV.

@RandomMess & it wasn't even 'by omission' they assured the op that they were all well!!

@JustLyra what absolute cunts (& I never use that word) the knowingly put your girls at risk, both of them, whilst fully aware of the danger it posed them both, but especially DD4.

there's simply no way to get past them indulging their daughters 'want' over your daughters life.

id thank the other mum & do my best to make sure she's not piggy in the middle. The other thick as mince pair could go fuck themselves.

jesus, you live with risk, knowing it's possible to pick something up before someone knows they're ill, it's absolutely no excuse when they do know.

I'd definitely be looking at other options for the 'activity' even if it means travelling further or doing something slightly different, then weigh it up.

Lindy2 · 24/06/2022 11:20

I'd be furious. Accidental spread is one thing but secret deliberate exposure is unforgivable.

picklemewalnuts · 24/06/2022 11:21

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 10:57

Thank you for the replies. It’s much appreciated.

a few people around me have the “well they’re likely to come into contact with CP at some point…” attitude so had me doubting my level of anger

It's because people struggle to look reality in the face, when it's harsh. You have practice at doing it- you have to day in and day out.

It's their privilege speaking, their privilege to be blasé and gloss over the harsher realities of life.

Sagealicious · 24/06/2022 11:21

I notice that the ones who can't be fucked to read the thread haven't come back to apologise. Cat got your tongue?

CakesOfVersailles · 24/06/2022 11:21

I would have been really angry even if there was no vulnerable child involved - chickenpox means you cancel the bloody party.

Given your family's situation, in your shoes I would be absolutely furious. I would cut all ties.

Given the parents keep trying to minimise it, they can't even be trusted not to do this sort of thing again.

woody87 · 24/06/2022 11:23

Bonjovispjs · 24/06/2022 11:13

Why are some people finding it so hard to understand that the OP has had all her kids vaccinated?🤔

Because the complete and utter hysteria over the covid vaccine and the bullshit that people have been fed about how vaccines work now means that some people don't have the slightest idea how they work 🙄

SeenYourArse · 24/06/2022 11:24

Just to add being vaccinated against CP seems to do very little! My sons classmate and good friend has been vaccinated and recently caught them at school from a classmate nonetheless she wasn’t poorly really but then nor were any of her 4 siblings who are as yet unvaccinated 🤷‍♀️ the vaccine didn’t seem to have made any difference to her either way.

StaunchMomma · 24/06/2022 11:27

Christ, was selfish arseholes!!

Think you're more than in your rights to have nothing to do with them moving forward. I wouldn't be hushing up their twattery, either.

otherbookmarks · 24/06/2022 11:27

DixonD · 24/06/2022 10:05

I was coming on to ask this - YABU for not having your children vaccinated against chicken pox. Mine is, and she’s not even vulnerable.

How many times does the OP have to point out that ALL of her children have had every single vaccination? 🙄

Ohthatsexciting · 24/06/2022 11:27

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Lalosalamanca · 24/06/2022 11:27

People are inherently selfish. They knew child had chickenpox and knew the deal with your child but all they cared was that their child got what they wanted. I would never spend a second around them again and would find it hard to be civil with them going forward.

lamaze1 · 24/06/2022 11:31

LilacPoppy · 24/06/2022 10:59

It’s awful but am confused as to why you didn’t vaccinate your other children in order to protect your CEV child. Surely that’s the obvious thing to do.

Either you've not read the thread (OP's posts) or like @DixonD you lack basic comprehension. Either way it's bloody irritating. Not only has the op dealt with this but other posters have too!

Sagealicious · 24/06/2022 11:31

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Are you for real?

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 11:31

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No
her sister goes to an activity and to a sleepover.

hence the point in my first post about finding the balance between keeping DD4 alive as long as possible but finding a balance to let her siblings live as normal lives as possible

DD3 went to the sleepover. DD4 is the vulnerable one

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Sally872 · 24/06/2022 11:31

Might be forgiveable as an accident if they forgot to let you know or about risk to your child. They deliberately kept it from you prioritising their childs wants of your other childs safety. I would have nothing else to do with them.

Thinking they wouldn't get found out is the most ridiculous excuse I have ever heard and usually comes from a child. The dad has no grasp of the issue. I could not be friends with people who are so selfish.

SirYawnsAlot · 24/06/2022 11:32

This is really disturbing, it is almost grounds for deliberate infection. I hope your daughter is recovering.

AllFreeOwls · 24/06/2022 11:32

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Have you read all of OPs posts?
She states her daughter goes to a "specialist school full of children with varying health and disability issues"
And that it was her elder daughter who goes to activities and sleepovers where she has come into contact with this other child and get parents.

Also people who have life limiting conditions aren't automatically bedbound.

Sally872 · 24/06/2022 11:32

*if not as an accident. Realise it wasnt an accident at all.

lborgia · 24/06/2022 11:34

YANBU.

15 years ago another mother sent her child over to ours with a sprinkling of CP blisters.. despite knowing my child got every bug going, and we were about to go for a hospital appt to check for immune problems. So also had no qualms about us walking into a paediatrics department carrying CP.

He got CP and was horribly sick.

I dropped her, and haven't spoken to her since.

It was a while before we got a formal diagnosis, but ds does in fact have a chronic illness that may shorten his life by 30-40 years.

She was also an antivaxxer- not sure if the two go together.

Ohthatsexciting · 24/06/2022 11:38

Ah I am so sorry

Ohthatsexciting · 24/06/2022 11:40

You have 4 children or more?

do the other children go to mainstream schools?

georgarina · 24/06/2022 11:40

Their logic is stupid. Your DD could be run over by a car - that doesn't mean you wouldn't be upset if they deliberately ran her over.

I would say something next time dad tries to talk to you, then cut them off.