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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

587 replies

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

OP posts:
5zeds · 24/06/2022 11:04

No your feelings sound rational and sensible. The family have poor judgement and are simply too dangerous for your family to be around. If the dh drank and drove the kids in that state or the uncle lived with them and was a rapist nobody would be saying “but they will meet sex pests/drunk drivers anyway”. You keep your little girl as long as you can by being savage about anyone who puts her at risk. That’s what good mums do.

I'm so sorry they were dicks. Let them go, they are not for you.

Figgygal · 24/06/2022 11:04

Utterly unforgivable

KosherDill · 24/06/2022 11:04

BMW6 · 24/06/2022 09:26

Frankly I'd be telling them to Fuck Off out of your lives forever.

Completely unforgivable.

This.

I'd walk away from them without a backward glance.

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 11:04

LilacPoppy · 24/06/2022 10:59

It’s awful but am confused as to why you didn’t vaccinate your other children in order to protect your CEV child. Surely that’s the obvious thing to do.

Wow I never thought of that… It was never mentioned by the umpteen specialists and nurses involved in DDms care…

Oh wait. It was. As I’ve clarified numerous times on the thread so far.

Being vaccinated doesn’t mean no-one gets it. Surely people have learned that from covid?

DD3’s vaccine meant she got a very mild dose that she didn’t even notice… Still enough to spread to her sister.

OP posts:
Dutchesss · 24/06/2022 11:05

They knew they could have killed your child and they were OK with that? 😶 I could not be civil in your shoes.

HavfrueDenizKisi · 24/06/2022 11:07

I clicked on this thread thinking you would be an anxious parent over-worrying OP, but bloody hell no way; that is unforgivable. I'd cut contact if I were you. Let them stew in their guilt. Unbelievable.

WimpoleHat · 24/06/2022 11:07

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 10:57

Thank you for the replies. It’s much appreciated.

a few people around me have the “well they’re likely to come into contact with CP at some point…” attitude so had me doubting my level of anger

They are likely to come into contact with it; it’s a general risk (unfortunately) that you run. And because you have other kids, they will be exposed at school etc.

But - let’s change it to an example about Covid, as that’s fresh in people’s minds. You may well come into contact with Covid; your kids go to school and you need to go into a shop to buy food. But what those people did was the equivalent of testing positive for Covid and then spending the day in a nursing home full of the vulnerable elderly. Very, very wrong- and for something that could so easily have been rescheduled. You have every right to be angry.

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TheThreadisMildlyAmusing · 24/06/2022 11:09

LilacPoppy · 24/06/2022 10:59

It’s awful but am confused as to why you didn’t vaccinate your other children in order to protect your CEV child. Surely that’s the obvious thing to do.

You Think? Gosh I wonder why the Op didn't think of this in order to protect her CEV child? Oh wait, she did. All her children have been vaccinated. Try reading all the Ops posts before commenting, unless you are being deliberately goady.

Cervinia · 24/06/2022 11:09

Good grief! how many time does the OP have to say her entire family are vaccinated against everything that they can be. Why don't people RTFT?

This is terrible OP and the people that have said "well she could have been exposed to it if we hadn't known" mentality are incredible. If she had, it would have been no one's fault.

But it wasn't that was it, some one KNOWINGLY and happily exposed your very vulnerable DD to a potentially life threatening disease for which she spent six days in hospital.

what a .

She and her lame husband would disappear from my life in a nano second.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 24/06/2022 11:10

I would literally just cut him dead. You don't need to speak to him so don't

Brefugee · 24/06/2022 11:10

The numerous times they’ve said (paraphrasing) “we know we should have told you that we knew, but if we hadn’t known the risk would have been the same so it’s not so bad…” has confirmed plenty that they were aware their DD had chicken pox the day before her birthday.

They don't understand probability or risk. And they certainly have a very poor grasp of logic.

Will you be saying anything to them?

Runaway1 · 24/06/2022 11:11

Totally unforgivable and even worse that they haven’t even now accepted how very wrong and selfish they were. Just wow.

Meraas · 24/06/2022 11:12

And they actually had the arrogance to make a risk assessment for a child that is not theirs.

Paddingtonsmarmlade · 24/06/2022 11:13

I would be livid if someone did that to me and my kids are not vulnerable.

I would be very clear with the dad the next time he tries to minimise it that it could of killed your child and there is a difference between her/sibling picking up something unknowingly and deliberately exposing your family to something that could have dreadful consequences.

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 11:13

Brefugee · 24/06/2022 11:10

The numerous times they’ve said (paraphrasing) “we know we should have told you that we knew, but if we hadn’t known the risk would have been the same so it’s not so bad…” has confirmed plenty that they were aware their DD had chicken pox the day before her birthday.

They don't understand probability or risk. And they certainly have a very poor grasp of logic.

Will you be saying anything to them?

I’ve already said my piece to them.

I just do my best to avoid the Dad now as he’s just a pain trying to excuse it. If I’m picking DD up I stay in my car until last minute then nip in.

OP posts:
Bonjovispjs · 24/06/2022 11:13

Why are some people finding it so hard to understand that the OP has had all her kids vaccinated?🤔

supertedlasso · 24/06/2022 11:14

They could have killed your child, just so they didn't upset theirs.

This is very well put. There's no way I'd have anything to do with them now.

I reckon some posters will be name changing very very soon.

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 11:15

Bonjovispjs · 24/06/2022 11:13

Why are some people finding it so hard to understand that the OP has had all her kids vaccinated?🤔

I’m hoping it’s a general misunderstanding of vaccines and how they work (not sure how after everything covid related recently) rather than me coming across as thick/uncaring about my child’s health.

It did happen a lot with covid with people doing the “oh now x is vaccinated she can get back to normal!” Erm. Nope. Doesn’t work like that.

OP posts:
bigbluebus · 24/06/2022 11:15

I wouldn't be bothering with these people again. They don't care about anyone but themselves.

I had a DD with severe disabilities and complex health needs (sadly died as a young adult 6 years ago). As a small child we used to attend a 'swimming' group at a hydrotherapy pool. The group was only attended by children with complex needs - although some more severe than others. One parent brought her child one week and announced that her other child had chicken pox. Sure enough the following day her 'swimming ' child came out in spots. A few days later my DD also came out in spots and like your DC she ended up in hospital. Vaccination for CP wasn't available back then. Just to add to the complications I was also in the early stages if pregnancy with DC2 (although selfish mother wouldn't have known that) and I had to frantically check whether I'd had CP as a child - which fortunately I had otherwise the consequences could have been even more severe.
But I just couldn't figure out how a parent of a child who had spent a lot of time in hospital and had respite at a childrens' hospice could have thought it was OK to bring her possibly infected child into that environment.

gogogadgetgo · 24/06/2022 11:16

LilacPoppy · 24/06/2022 10:59

It’s awful but am confused as to why you didn’t vaccinate your other children in order to protect your CEV child. Surely that’s the obvious thing to do.

@LilacPoppy I'm confused too. Can you read? The op has said NUMEROUS times they are all vaccinated.

Ohmybod · 24/06/2022 11:16

YANBU at all. I’d also be furious.

Please don’t let the family continue to defend themselves. If they bring it up again stop them in their tracks and say “I’m not interested in talking about that”. Shut them down and repeat as necessary. And just decline any future meet up requests. No explanation needed.

Raging on your and your DDs behalf.

TheThreadisMildlyAmusing · 24/06/2022 11:17

Eek3under3 · 24/06/2022 10:27

People who don’t have a CEV child don’t truly understand the potential consequences. We were the same with dd1. Protected her as much as we could and missed out on lots of stuff, asked people to tell us if they has colds etc before meeting. One moronic friend came round with a chest infection for a NYE dinner, held her and played with her before coughing a bit and announcing his illness. She died 3 days later. For most people the illness wouldn’t have been serious, but for her it was fatal. I will never forgive his selfishness.

I’m sorry these friends didn’t understand the severity of what would happen, and glad your dd js ok.

This was heartbreaking to read @Eek3under3. Flowers

MercurialMonday · 24/06/2022 11:17

So basically they prioritised their kids wants over the health of your child.

This - no I would not be facilitating any additional meets up that your DD isn't that bothered about - because how can you trust them going forward.

gogogadgetgo · 24/06/2022 11:18

@Eek3under3 there are no words. Flowers I'm so sorry

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