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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

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JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

OP posts:
Happyjoyjoy · 25/06/2022 20:02

EvergreenForest · 25/06/2022 19:56

Oh...my....fucking....god

MiniPiccolo are you a medical professional to advise that her daughter should catch them younger? It does matter how compromised she is as it could kill her. What a stupid comment.

user1496146479 · 25/06/2022 20:02

MiniPiccolo · 25/06/2022 19:46

One hand yes they should've told you.

Other hand, sorry but your daughter is better catching them younger no matter how CEV. Your children could easily have brought them home too. The incubation period is 2 weeks. If your children developed them before that time frame it likely wasnt from the sleepover anyway. Chicken Pox is absolutely rife and has washed across the country for the past 12 weeks like noones business.

Is there a reason she isn't vaccinated against them?

@MiniPiccolo
WTF!!!!
Are you able to read?! Even perhaps the OP posts? All her children are vaccinated!!!

Give me strength! Basic comprehension are missing from so many posters!!

JustLyra · 25/06/2022 20:03

MiniPiccolo · 25/06/2022 19:46

One hand yes they should've told you.

Other hand, sorry but your daughter is better catching them younger no matter how CEV. Your children could easily have brought them home too. The incubation period is 2 weeks. If your children developed them before that time frame it likely wasnt from the sleepover anyway. Chicken Pox is absolutely rife and has washed across the country for the past 12 weeks like noones business.

Is there a reason she isn't vaccinated against them?

is there a reason you’re incapable of reading the multiple times I’ve said she is vaccinated?

and she’s not “better getting them out the way” - that’s not how it works when you are like her. You just get things repeatedly as you don’t develop immunity. Hence why she was seriously ill despite being vaccinated

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Poppins2016 · 25/06/2022 20:05

Those parents chose to make a potentially life or death decision that only you, as a parent, have the right to make. I wouldn't be able to forgive that (regardless of whether my child ended up unwell and in hospital or not).

JustLyra · 25/06/2022 20:07

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Do you feel better for that?

Yoire clueless and offensive. Give yourself a Pat on the back.

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EatYourVegetables · 25/06/2022 20:09

I think no reasonable person could blame you for cutting contact. Especially as your daughter does not seem so keen on the friend.

And everyone replying with some version of “it’s mild I had it an anyway vaccine and it’s all your fault” should f off.

wellhelloitsme · 25/06/2022 20:12

Weepah · 25/06/2022 19:22

I am not judging OP. Or what you think the consensus is on the efficacy and safety of the CP vax. I just mean that CP is just not even a factor here in the States. I've heard of one case in a child in the 12 years I've lived here.

Her children are vaccinated.

As she has repeatedly said.

ilovemydogandmrobama2 · 25/06/2022 20:13

Unforgivable - I think though that some people just don't get how serious catching chicken pox can be.

Prior to having DD2, my GP said I wasn't immune to chicken pox which was a big red flag as it was going around at the DC's school. Spoke to the immunologist who said that if children my children were in contact had it, then I needed to come in to be induced. The school was quite good at reporting and about a week later, a child in DD1's class had it, at which point I was 38 weeks, was induced, and the DCs had to stay off school for a week.

RaspberryChouxBuns · 25/06/2022 20:13

Awful and utterly irresponsible. I'm sorry OP, I hope your daughter is OK x

Wolfieandboy · 25/06/2022 20:14

Christ OP these threads give some insight into the hard of reading, thinking and feeling.

These parents were inexcusably appalling. When dad next tries to talk I would explain that I just needed him to fuck off and stay that way. Friends don’t selfishly lie and try to justify shitty behaviour. I wouldn’t facilitate. Friendship between the girls unless it happened to grow organically.

I am sorry your child is so ill.

Tillow4ever · 25/06/2022 20:18

Just wanted to add that you definitely are not being unreasonable. If anything, you’re being a little too reasonable! They do not deserve the level of thought you have put into them - they are selfish and aren’t even sorry now they know the consequences of their actions.

please ignore the goady twats on this thread - you have done nothing wrong, you are doing your best to protect your child and it sounds like it has been working well until these selfish arseholes.

Spaceshiphaslanded · 25/06/2022 20:19

Yeah I’d never talk to them again.

WilsonMilson · 25/06/2022 20:19

Some people are just self-centred, stupid or both.

I think it’s awful. I’d cut them out.

Also can’t believe the parent in question would confide in a mutual mum friend, did she expect support for her decision? Idiotic and selfish people with no regards for the consequences of their decisions- I wouldn’t want them in my life.

MumInBrussels · 25/06/2022 20:22

MiniPiccolo · 25/06/2022 19:46

One hand yes they should've told you.

Other hand, sorry but your daughter is better catching them younger no matter how CEV. Your children could easily have brought them home too. The incubation period is 2 weeks. If your children developed them before that time frame it likely wasnt from the sleepover anyway. Chicken Pox is absolutely rife and has washed across the country for the past 12 weeks like noones business.

Is there a reason she isn't vaccinated against them?

Ignoring the vaccination point, since you've probably got that by now, are you a medical professional of any kind?

Because I'm not, but even I can imagine circumstances and illnesses where it would absolutely not be better for the OP's daughter to catch chicken pox younger, because it might kill her at any age. And it's not like she gets it once and is immune from then on, because her immune system doesn't work, so she doesn't develop immunity. (Otherwise the vaccine would probably have worked better...)

So there is absolutely no conceivable upside to the OP's daughter catching chickenpox, except that the friend got a sleepover. Doesn't really feel worth it, to me...

VaccineSticker · 25/06/2022 20:29

MiniPiccolo · 25/06/2022 20:01

Because if we start a childhood vaccination programme for it then we will end up with a wave of very seriously unwell newborns, damaged fetuses and unvaccinated adults in 20 years time, ffs.

Chickenpox is not harmful or dangerous to the majority of young children. And they then carry that immunity throughout life and in the community creating a free and effective herd immunity.

Give your head a wobble ffs and stop spouting rubbish you clearly don't understand. There is a US vaccination schedule because herd immunity in the US was naturally low/poor.

Simply Not true and stop stating info without any reliable medical source to back it up. Many countries do it and it works. The reason why the nhs doesn’t do it is because it’s not cost effective, I personally know two children with no underlying health conditions who ended up in hospital, one needed surgery on the nhs because of her horrendous facial scarring.
Yes generally it’s a mild disease but for some it isn’t especially the vulnerable. I grew up in a country where there were hardly any CP cases because CP vax is part of the vax program.
ps your swear words are insulting, you are an adult so behave like one and just because you are anonymous on a forum doesn’t mean you can insult people.

byebyeyaya · 25/06/2022 20:31

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Nocutenamesleft · 25/06/2022 20:35

I’m the same

any illness from a cold to a sickness bug could easily kill me

im the same in that I access the risk. However I’ve learnt to live with it. People are constantly selfish and send their kids to school sick for example. So badly that I had to take my kids out of school because people kept sending children in with sickness bugs and I have spent a huge majority of time in ICU

JustLyra · 25/06/2022 20:36

Lol I'm quite tempted to ask why you haven't vaccinated your kids just to see if I can give you an aneurysm.

well tbh @byebyeyaya I’m just lazy and couldn’t be arsed…

(I’m actually wondering how many people will actually read that post of mine and miss all the other ones now)

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VaccineSticker · 25/06/2022 20:40

Lyra, hope your vulnerable child stays clear of illnesses . I feel for you and trust me not everyone is selfish and ignorant like these so called friends. X

carchi · 25/06/2022 20:40

They are irresponsible, selfish and unable to grasp how dangerous their actions were. You don't need people like that in your family's life.

Rabidturnip · 25/06/2022 20:46

YANBU. Years ago a “friend” sent her child to my DD’s birthday party knowing he had had spots appear that morning. Neither parent mentioned anything to me prior to the party. The mum in particular knew my CEV Mum would be there. Six kids from the party ended up catching CP. I was furious and have had nothing to do with them since. It still pisses me off to this day when I think about it.

vipersnest1 · 25/06/2022 20:47

@JustLyra, dear God, I can't believe how ignorant some of the posters here are.
I have direct experience of a DC who became very unwell with a disease despite being vaccinated against it - in their case it was measles. (They actually went on to have an autoimmune condition which they are in remission from, but have gone on to develop another.)
I have to say some people are remarkably ignorant - I encountered this when asking to work from home during lockdowns - I wasn't CEV, but both of my DC and my DM are. I just couldn't risk exposing them to the virus.
To get back to your post, I too would be beyond furious. What happened was totally unnecessary and incredibly thoughtless.

HooverIsAlwaysBroken · 25/06/2022 20:51

Lyra, I am so sorry, those people were awful. I just cannot understand the people here defending them.

my DD had a bad cold last week. Not Covid, no temperature but a tired and with a chesty cough. I kept her home and didn’t let her go to a sleepover she was supposed to have with a couple of girls. Nobody was immunocompromised but I didn’t want to expose other families to our germs. I just don’t get where some people are coming from here.

Redladybirdbaglady · 25/06/2022 20:58

bluesky45 · 24/06/2022 13:46

It does sound bad. The thing with chickenpox though is that it's contagious before you have spots so every child your kids come into contact with could be about to have chickenpox and they wouldn't know. My kids have both recently had it and in the 2 days beforehand went to a birthday party and saw a newborn which obviously we wouldn't have done either with chickenpox. So I'm not sure how you are supposed to keep your little one safe in the case of these illnesses that are contagious before showing symptoms, very difficult for you all, especially your older children.

And if that was the case, OP wouldn't be on here as she already said she felt like it was just one of those things until she found out it was deliberate.

Knowing that there is a risk of catching it anyway does not in ANY way negate this awful couple's behaviour.

MamanDeChoix · 25/06/2022 21:03

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:57

So you are saying the birthday child actually had chicken pox on the day of her birthday party and the party went ahead as a sleepover no less without giving anyone the choice to expose their kids/families? That is insane. Chicken pox can kill healthy kids without thinking about your sick kid.

Exactly this. They had 3 children (plus family) round in the afternoon for a little party, then DD stayed for a sleepover.

They knew the child had CP the day before.

And at that point hadn’t been in contact with my child for over a week so no “well they were sat next to each other in school all week so we thought it was ok” type thing (which still would have been wrong, but is a mindset lots have with covid).

How soon after the sleepover did your child show symptoms?

Given there's an incubation period of 21 days, it sounds to me as though she may well have already been incubating and the sleepover is actually neither here nor there in terms of passing on the cp.

Though accept that cp has put your youngest at risk. But this may not be due to the sleepover.