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To not forgive this (chicken pox related)

587 replies

JustLyra · 24/06/2022 09:21

My youngest DD is CEV. She has numerous health problems and we’ve had to be very careful her whole life.

That has meant, especially since covid, finding a balance between protecting her, but making sure her siblings don’t live too limited a life. It’s not an easy balance and not one we always get 100% right.

Our policy with other people has always been - please give us a heads up if we’re due to spend time with you and we’ll risk assess it. We never expect other people to cancel their attendance at parties etc, if we don’t feel it’s safe enough for her then we miss out. All we ask is that we’re given the info.

People around us are generally really good. It’s been a bit problematic since the mindset of covid being over has come in, but generally we’ve muddled through ok.

Earlier in the summer one of my other kids, who is 8, was invited to a sleepover for a birthday - just her and the birthday kid. The parent of the birthday kid knows us very well and said there was no coughs, colds or anything in their home the afternoon I dropped DD3 off. Everything seemed fine and dandy.

A few days after the party I got a message saying that the birthday child had chicken pox. Sure as fate DD3 had caught them. DD4 then caught them and it was a horrid time as she ended up spending 6 days in hospital seriously ill.

To me it was one of those things and couldn’t be helped.

Except now it turns out that the birthday child was known to have CP before the party. The birthday mum told another mum because she felt guilty and that mum told her to tell us or she would.

Birthday child felt well with the CP and apparently “really really really wanted DD4 as their sleepover guest” so the parents decided to just not say anything because it “could” have happened that they didn’t know so we had decided to take that risk.

They’ve been apologetic, as in the Dad apologised very briefly, but they seem fixed on “but, if we hadn’t known them you wouldn’t have known” and that, to them, seems to make it ok. Whereas to me it really doesn’t make it ok.

I don’t want anything to do with them again. I don’t trust them and I’m furious that they’d take that risk with someone else’s child, especially in our situation.

and they don’t seem to grasp that even before I had my youngest I’d have been pissed off if someone deliberately hid that because who exposes another child to CP deliberately without their parents ok? What if the Mum was pregnant?

My AIBU is this - the kids met at an activity. During the holidays when it’s off we usually try and organise a few play dates so they don’t lose touch. It’s always them/their DD that asks. Mine is happy to meet up, but has never asked. This summer I’m thinking just not agreeing to any of the meet ups.

If my DD asks id need to re-assess, but I don’t think she will. Id rather just let the friendship fizzle to a weekly thing at their activity as that way it limits contact with the parents.

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KvotheTheBloodless · 24/06/2022 12:03

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This.

@Ohthatsexciting you're a disgrace.

Fadeout83 · 24/06/2022 12:05

Wow you think you finally come across a thread where it’s a case for a no brainer consensus and yet… honestly just so sick of lazy ass posters who don’t have the decency to read the full thread or at least OP posts before coming in self righteously and criticising something that’s not even reality.

OP you said you felt like you were overreacting given those around you commented that your children would have been exposed to CP at some point anyway. Please don’t ever feel you are overreacting. The point here isn’t CP, you seem well aware of the risks and are doing a fucking stellar job by the sound of it balancing the risks and maintaining some semblance of normalcy for your family. The point is these despicable people LIED and knowingly all but guaranteed your DC would end up very ill. How they live with themselves I’ll never understand.

And to the poster who keeps going on about OP other kids going to a mainstream school, just feck off ok?

Namechangehereandnow · 24/06/2022 12:07

Ohthatsexciting · 24/06/2022 12:02

bed ridden means confined to bed because of sickness?

I won’t bother with any explanations as I think you’re thriving off them … either stop goading and leave the thread, stop trolling and leave the thread, or again, just fuck off to the far end of fuck.

EllaDuggee · 24/06/2022 12:10

YANBU they should have told you so you could make your own decision based on the risks. 6 days in hospital , honestly and the Dad is still trying to chat about how it would have happened anyway? You are being very tolerant to even be civil to him I would just tell him to f off and never speak to me again; who cares about drama.

He/they diced with your daughters life, that was unforgiveable. Definitely restrict contact to just this shared activity , they cannot be trusted.

yourestandingonmyneck · 24/06/2022 12:11

Well the husband just sounds thick as shit but it sounds like the wife understands the severity of what she has done and is quite rightly feeling incredibly guilty.

Yes, if I were you I would just cut contact. I'd be tempted to take the moral high ground and be polite - reply to any play date invites with a polite "sorry we can't make it" and just avoid as much as possible at the group.

I think it sends a stronger message than being outwardly furious. Show them that you are better people than them.

I'm so sorry, love to your little daughter XxX

Howappropriate · 24/06/2022 12:13

If they message you to do activity just reply with "are you fucking joking?" and leave it at that. No more contact, blank the Dad. At least the Mum has the good grace to be mortified by their selfishness.
Thank goodness your daughter recovered. I hope she is doing well now xxx

CaptainThe95thRifles · 24/06/2022 12:14

You're definitely not being unreasonable, OP - that's appalling. And those saying otherwise based on their misunderstanding of the magic of vaccination - give me strength 🙄

Oceanus · 24/06/2022 12:15

I can't believe I just read this. This made my blood boil, unacceptable doesn't even come close. Selfish bastards.

wizzler · 24/06/2022 12:16

Yanbu. Unforgivable

SirYawnsAlot · 24/06/2022 12:18

FGS why are people derailing this thread by picking apart this childs daily life and questioning vaccines? The facts remain:

The hosting parents knew this child was extremely vulnerable to infection.
The hosting parents then deliberately put this vulnerable child in danger by ommission of the facts that their child had a highly contagious disease.
This resulted in the child catching chicken pox resulting in hospitalisation.
The mother admitted this when expressing guilt to a mutual friend.
The father admitted this when flippantly excusing their behaviour by saying you wouldn't have known if we hadn't have told you.
They knowingly put the child in danger, risking her life and have in effect committed an assault on a child.

There is a case to answer to here.

007DoubleOSeven · 24/06/2022 12:19

FGS why are people derailing this thread by picking apart this childs daily life and questioning vaccines?

Because that's what people seem to do on this site, been seeing it a lot lately. Ignore the issue for the chance to jump in and judge every aspect of the poster and demand explanations of their entire history.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 24/06/2022 12:21

I couldn't forgive this. Even if your daughter hadn't got ill.

The arrogance that their childs choice of sleepover preference is more important than someone elses health. The complete irrelevance of the 'if we hadnt have known'. You did know, you complete selfish fucker. And taking a risk with a child you know has chicken pox is completely different to taking a risk with a child with no symptoms who you have no idea may have chicken pox. The reaction afterwards, the trying to justify why they purposefully put your child in a situation that led to their hospitalization, is just disgusting

Notanotherwindow · 24/06/2022 12:21

Oh my god if one more person says about vaccination I'm going to scream. ALL THE CHILDREN ARE FUCKING VACCINATED.

And breathe.

I'd lose my shit at him tbh. In public. So everyone hears what a cunt he is. If he didn't know is irrelevant because he did fucking know and caused your dd to be hospitalised just so his child could have a bloody sleep over which could have happened a few weeks later when no longer contagious.

I'd never speak to them again. It's unforgivable and how you haven't punched him in his lying weasel mouth, I don't know.

MargotChateau · 24/06/2022 12:22

My youngest brother died a day after birth because a selfish mother in my class knowingly sent her child to school with ruebella and I must have passed it onto my pregnant mother. (I was vaccinated, but my immunity had waned as I was due for the second vaccine of 2)
That witch of a woman blew my family apart, we should have been a family of three, my brother lost a companion that would have been of a similar age, and it completely changed my mother. I think of the devastation that woman caused and as unchristian as it is, I hope she had/has had a shitty life.
My mother pulled me out of that school as she couldn’t bear to see the woman ever again.
My mil is of a similar selfish out look, doesn’t care about exposing me to covid, chicken pox etc while I’m pregnant - so when this baby arrives she won’t be having dick all to with he/her.
sorry for all you went through @JustLyra

LilacPoppy · 24/06/2022 12:22

@Valeriekat Chicken Pox doesn't pose a pregnancy risk though.
Why is it important to avoid chickenpox during pregnancy?

For the mother

Chickenpox is typically an unpleasant illness when you are pregnant, even without complications. It tends to be much more severe than the illness children get.
In addition, about 1 in 10 pregnant women with chickenpox develop inflamed lungs (pneumonia). This is sometimes serious. About 1 in 100 pregnant women who develop chickenpox-related pneumonia die of this serious infection.
Brain inflammation (encephalitis) and ataxia (problems with co-ordination of movements) are uncommon but very serious complications.
Vary rarely, other serious complications develop. For example: inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis), inflammation of the kidneys (glomerulonephritis), appendicitis, inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis), inflammation of the joints (arthritis), and inflammation of various parts of the eye.
For the unborn baby

There is a small chance of the baby developing a condition called fetal varicella syndrome (FVS). This can cause the baby to be born with serious abnormalities. These include:
Scarring of the skin.
Problems with the eyes.
Arms and legs which haven't grown normally.
Problems with brain development.

007DoubleOSeven · 24/06/2022 12:26

I'm so sorry @MargotChateau

serenghetti2011 · 24/06/2022 12:28

Horrendous op. Being a mum, and a paeds nurse who has looked after kids like your daughter who are very vulnerable I don’t understand how anyone could knowingly expose someone who could possibly die to cp etc and be so blasé about it. How would they have felt if your child had not recovered. Just shows they don’t care.

vaccines work for most of the population. You can still get cp with cp vaccine and children with multiple health conditions don’t always develop immunity or some vaccines aren’t recommended. Can’t believe the posters turning this back round on op. The majority of us don’t know what these families go through trying to protect their kids. I’ve been with many families when their beautiful child has passed awAy well before their time and it’s heartbreaking without some parent thinking their kids sleepover is more important .
hope your dd is ok op, ignore the eejits without a clue on here they would quickly think again if iT was their own child!!

ispepsiokay · 24/06/2022 12:29

I cannot get past the fact that they allowed your child to become life threateningly unwell to prevent their child being disappointed. I could never get past this.

MargotChateau · 24/06/2022 12:32

Thank you @007DoubleOSeven Now that I’m pregnant, that tragedy hits harder. X

Mumoftwoinprimary · 24/06/2022 12:34

”Your daughter could be accidentally hit by a car. But I think that you would be upset with me if I purposely drove my car at her.”

And the go and sit in your car. —revving the engine—

FishfingerFlinger · 24/06/2022 12:35

Leave aside CEV DD for a moment. You don’t unilaterally decide to knowingly expose other children to chickenpox. You just don’t. This is parenting 101 stuff.

As a parent you either call the whole thing off or contact the other parent and say “DD has chickenpox, your DD is welcome to come round but we understand if you would rather not”.

I would be mighty pissed off if this happened to us and I don’t have a CEV child to worry about.

It’s not even like you were looking for special consideration here, it’s just the basic consideration you should give to ANYONE if your child has chickenpox.

Add in the fact they knew full well the situation with you CEV DD…it just beggars belief. You should rightly be furious OP.

anxiousatnight · 24/06/2022 12:37

This is dreadful. My friends and I are always open and honest about illnesses and bugs to avoid passing things on, and that's without any of them being particularly vulnerable- we just don't want poorly kids!

Hope your DD is feeling better x

PinkyFlamingo · 24/06/2022 12:38

@LilacPoppy

It’s awful but am confused as to why you didn’t vaccinate your other children in order to protect your CEV child. Surely that’s the obvious thing to do

The obvious thing to do would be to read the OPs posts and then realise how stupid yours is.

RealBecca · 24/06/2022 12:39

"But you DID know and put your childs want over our childs need. So the girls wont be seeing each other again."

That would he my response. If I was dd and that was my sibling I'd be furious that their life was unnecessarily put in danger. This is pretty much the only time I'd make a ruling on who my child is friends with.

Meraas · 24/06/2022 12:39

MargotChateau · 24/06/2022 12:22

My youngest brother died a day after birth because a selfish mother in my class knowingly sent her child to school with ruebella and I must have passed it onto my pregnant mother. (I was vaccinated, but my immunity had waned as I was due for the second vaccine of 2)
That witch of a woman blew my family apart, we should have been a family of three, my brother lost a companion that would have been of a similar age, and it completely changed my mother. I think of the devastation that woman caused and as unchristian as it is, I hope she had/has had a shitty life.
My mother pulled me out of that school as she couldn’t bear to see the woman ever again.
My mil is of a similar selfish out look, doesn’t care about exposing me to covid, chicken pox etc while I’m pregnant - so when this baby arrives she won’t be having dick all to with he/her.
sorry for all you went through @JustLyra

That's terrible Margot. I'm so sorry. Did the women realise what she did?