Mick Lynch

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Anyone else here loving his work?

I for one am pleased to see a discussion about Unions & collective bargaining!
So many jobs now rely on people working for free, the call centre workers who have to be at their desks with their headsets on before their start time, office workers working until 6 or 7 just to get the job done, companies expecting people to work Bank Holidays, the lack of decent sick pay during the pandemic which caused people to have to go to work sick & spread it to loads more people.

All of this is due to the demise of the Trade Unions, all of it is good for employers & bad for employees.

Absolutely. You don’t hear someone criticising a nurse (for example) of only caring about their patient when that’s their actual job.

He technically doesn’t have to care about anyone else…

Politicians (of all parties) do. Trade union leaders don’t.

Sorry Batley not Barnsley!

The unions did not condemn the throwing under the bus of the teacher. Not sure what's confusing about it.

The unions did not condemn the throwing under the bus of the teacher. Not sure what's confusing about it.

your asking how striking helps the poor then you jump to talk about a teacher in hiding

its been explained unions are restricted in what they can and can’t do, also members get to vote on what happens within a union - was there a vote on the action not taken or was it that action was prohibited by rules brought in by Tory party in the 1980s

I'm talking about unions, holistically. Surely they share the same values? Seems not. So for all this idolising them, they were quick to close their support network when a teacher was threatened with his life, by Muslims. Reverse that and have Christians threatening a Muslim teacher and pretty sure I know what the outcome would have been.

No, I stuck to discussing unions.

I'm talking about unions, holistically.

perhaphs answer the questions about the case of the batley teacher

did the union vote on action?

The RMT members elected Mick Lynch, and they pay him to negotiate and fight on their behalf. You cannot criticise him for doing what is, quite literally, his job.

It's like acting surprised when a company's HR department acts in the interests of the company. That is literally what they are paid to do!

Vote on action for what? Business carried on as normal. After the teacher was thrown to the wolves. Of course, it would have been nice for a vote on action to strike with teachers standing in solidarity, on the grounds of oppressive working conditions. No chance, given that this was education and is indoctrined by left wing ideology. He would have been defended by his union but they did NOT make a stand by condemning the teacher's treatment. They are selectively vocal.

Oh, so you're angry about Muslims. And because you're angry about Muslims you think railway cleaners should be paid less.

That all makes perfect sense.

And very relevant.

I think we can tell the way this is going..

He's fascinating. I'm struck by his calmness, his knowledge and his clear , unflappable gaze.Kay Burley was getting more and more theatrical and he was just calmly incredulous. I think we're using to our politicians grimacing and contorting, we could all learn from his communication skills.

There's only two reasons people would fight against it

1. they stand to directly benefit from the continued exploitation and suppression of living standards for the working class.

2. they are so utterly self-centred/ignorant that they genuinely believe they have a right for their lives (and their lives only) to never been disrupted regardless of the cause.

You've exposed yourself as incredibly ignorant on the purpose if unions and strike action, and are now dangerously close to exposing yourself as a bigot too.

Might be an idea to take the old advice of "when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".

Was discussing this yesterday, I think there's a lot to learn from Lynch. The Tories are blatant liars, and that is infuriating. So opponents get riled. But Lynch has communicated effectively by letting them state a lie and then calmly calling it out.

I think the only way to deal with the industrial le els of lying is to call put the lies, you can't talk over it or engage as if it were normal debate.

@IcecreamForAlcohol I am thank you ☺️

You'd hope in certain circumstances companies would pay more than SSP, but you can bet most wouldn't.

It's all you need when you are worried about your health isn't it, worried about having no money either 🤦‍♀️

@Callingoccupants the RMT isn't affiliated to the Labour party anymore. And fwiw Mick Lynch supported brexit so probably in that respect has more in common with the ERG than labour. Starmer told his shadow cabinet not to appear on the picket line and rightly refused to outright support the strike because of the inconvenience inflicted on working people.

Starmer told his shadow cabinet not to appear on the picket line and rightly refused to outright support the strike because of the inconvenience inflicted on working people.

which is a direct move against the purpose of the labour party and its roots which was for the working labour Having been started by the trade unions in 1900 to stand against the Tory party

It's the Labour Party not the bloody middle management, peers of the realm party. Starmer is useless.

In a Royal Navy mess dinner, there is a different toast for each day of the week. Wednesday's is "Ourselves, since no one else is likely to think of us". That's a sentiment that holds true all over. Look after number one first.

Where would you set the line for people who earn too much to consider striking over pay? 5p over minimum wage? Leaving aside that there's more than pay at stake here, the government wants Network Rail to make redundancies so 2,900 people could easily find themselves joining those on minimum wage if they don't fight it. Perhaps a renewed focus on how low wages are for most of the country might force the government to act on what a rotten deal the country is getting as a whole.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/grant-shapps-misled-public-over-27328013

And there you have it...

The government want this fight, the government want strikes. They are trying to pit worker against worker, so we stop talking about dodgy PPE contracts, housing, poverty, the NHS, police shortages...

They want the illinformed and bitter to be more cross about railway cleaners being treated right that they are about Tory peer Michelle Mone and the unusual multi-million contract.

Don't fall for it! If you yourself have bad pay and/or conditions, these strikes help stop the further reduction of conditions and pay.

Like fuck he's intelligent.

He (still) thinks Brexit is a good thing.

No one intelligent thinks that.

I'm shocked.
I had you pegged as a Brexiteer