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Mick Lynch

575 replies

KangFang · 23/06/2022 13:08

Anyone else here loving his work?

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Octomore · 25/06/2022 09:30

Roussette · 25/06/2022 09:06

The CEOs of the 5 biggest rail companies took home more than £5million in pay last year.
And paid out more than £500M to shareholders before telling workers they had to take a real terms pay cut.

Exactly, and this is replicated across many industries, not just rail. I dont understand the deluded people who think that it is in their interest to defend this state of affairs.

Octomore · 25/06/2022 09:34

Striking causes huge disruption, inconvenience and misery.

Exploitative employment practices and unchecked corporate greed cause poverty, hunger, ill health, misery and early death for those at the bottom of the pile.

Callingoccupants · 25/06/2022 09:38

Octomore · 25/06/2022 09:34

Striking causes huge disruption, inconvenience and misery.

Exploitative employment practices and unchecked corporate greed cause poverty, hunger, ill health, misery and early death for those at the bottom of the pile.

For the many, not the few. Remember?

Strugglingtodomybest · 25/06/2022 09:39

Striking causes huge disruption, inconvenience and misery.

For a few days...

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 25/06/2022 09:40

you're a raging lefty

<snigger> Is this like a looney leftie? < more sniggering>

Octomore · 25/06/2022 09:41

The bottom of the pile is a huge number of people. It is the many.

And we all benefit from groups of workers raising standards and pay expectations. Just like we all lose when companies start racing each other to the bottom on pay.

FreyaStorm · 25/06/2022 09:49

He doesn’t wear a watch because he tell time what time it is 😂

Mick Lynch
saddowizca · 25/06/2022 09:51

Octomore · 25/06/2022 09:41

The bottom of the pile is a huge number of people. It is the many.

And we all benefit from groups of workers raising standards and pay expectations. Just like we all lose when companies start racing each other to the bottom on pay.

Exactly. I don't want to live in country where working people need to visit food banks. I want them to have a living wage, and decent conditions of employment.

DdraigGoch · 25/06/2022 09:54

Callingoccupants · 25/06/2022 09:19

He handles the media well.

It's entertaining to watch politicians and journalists made to fall apart by the simple feat of someone actually answering the question they asked.

Chesneyhawkes1 · 25/06/2022 10:02

@Octomore exactly!

In 2020 I got diagnosed with cancer. I got full sick pay for the duration of my treatment. For which I was incredibly grateful.

I didn't get this out of the goodness of my employers heart. If they could have not paid me, they would have.

I got this because I'm a member of the Union and it's part of the T&C's they have fought and negotiated for on our behalf.

Instead of driving down pay and T&C's for the railway - we should all be aspiring to have good pay and good T&C's.

I just don't get the logic that people fighting to be treated fairly, can ever be a bad thing.

Someday these peoples children will be entering the workplace, do not they not want them to be paid well and treated well.

ivykaty44 · 25/06/2022 10:11

if you’re against striking are you in favour of working people using food banks? Living in fuel poverty & not able to turn on the heating? The government isn’t going to stop skimmming of the milk along with the cream so what’s your sensible suggestion to feed the working poor?

WatchoRulo · 25/06/2022 11:03

You lived through the winter of discontent, where there was limited electric, rubbish piled up and the dead went unburied and you still support the strikes? Unreal.
I think you are getting a little confused about what happened when, speaking as another person who was actually there.
There wasn't "limited electric" in the "winter of discontent".
Supporting the current dispute doesn't equate to endorsement for actions from more than 44 years ago, when things were very different.

ancientgran · 25/06/2022 11:11

Callingoccupants · 25/06/2022 09:29

80 per cent of you ..to be exact.

80 per cent of me? No idea what you mean, I am 100% in favour of the strike and if teachers/doctors/nurses/dustmen strike because that is the only way they can get a fair deal then I'm 100% with them as well.

Strugglingtodomybest · 25/06/2022 11:29

I just don't get the logic that people fighting to be treated fairly, can ever be a bad thing.

Neither do I. Imo, as soon as the gap between rich and poor begins to widen, it should be the job of the government to try and close it again.

GreenLunchBox · 25/06/2022 11:31

Haha Rees Mogg "minister of Brexit Opportunities"🤣🤣🤣 If he didn't turn up to work nobody would notice. That's literally the case and yet he is paid handsomely for the 'role'

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 25/06/2022 11:37

The worshipping at the altar of the rich that some ridiculous working class are into, really needs to stop. The days of forelock tugging and being starry eyed about 'the gentry' are long gone.

Agree, @DeeCeeCherry. It's fascinating to see how shaken some people are when one man who doesn't talk in platitudes and soundbites, who doesn't have a public school accent, is given airtime over a few days. Demonstrates that people are so used to the same old voices in the media saying the same old things. And how many people would like it to stay that way.

IcecreamForAlcohol · 25/06/2022 11:42

Chesneyhawkes1 · 25/06/2022 10:02

@Octomore exactly!

In 2020 I got diagnosed with cancer. I got full sick pay for the duration of my treatment. For which I was incredibly grateful.

I didn't get this out of the goodness of my employers heart. If they could have not paid me, they would have.

I got this because I'm a member of the Union and it's part of the T&C's they have fought and negotiated for on our behalf.

Instead of driving down pay and T&C's for the railway - we should all be aspiring to have good pay and good T&C's.

I just don't get the logic that people fighting to be treated fairly, can ever be a bad thing.

Someday these peoples children will be entering the workplace, do not they not want them to be paid well and treated well.

I hope you are fully recovered.

I now work in the civil service where the terms are excellent because it's unionised.

My last job was in the private sector where, at my company, they only paid SSP. Anything more was discretionary.

Callingoccupants · 25/06/2022 11:44

WatchoRulo · 25/06/2022 11:03

You lived through the winter of discontent, where there was limited electric, rubbish piled up and the dead went unburied and you still support the strikes? Unreal.
I think you are getting a little confused about what happened when, speaking as another person who was actually there.
There wasn't "limited electric" in the "winter of discontent".
Supporting the current dispute doesn't equate to endorsement for actions from more than 44 years ago, when things were very different.

Oh so it was called the winter of discontent for another reason. It was hardly a barrel of laughs.

carefullycourageous · 25/06/2022 11:46

Callingoccupants · 25/06/2022 09:18

I'm not and never have been, on the side of strikes. Public workers striking to offset the rise in cost of living? What about everyone else who is affected? It's a debate that goes round in circles. The thread asked if Lynch was great. I said no. I see him as an other unionist; negative and destructive.

And that's fine. We live in a democracy, you're free to be on the side of the rich.

I'm free to support workers.

Unions have won us (all British workers) rights since the start of industrialisation. You need to check your facts though - railways were privatised so these are not really public sector strikes.

We either have strong workers' rights or weak workers' rights. You are free to be infavour of low wages, exploitation and poor working conditions if that is your preference. I prefer good working conditions, so I support unions.

Callingoccupants · 25/06/2022 11:48

ivykaty44 · 25/06/2022 10:11

if you’re against striking are you in favour of working people using food banks? Living in fuel poverty & not able to turn on the heating? The government isn’t going to stop skimmming of the milk along with the cream so what’s your sensible suggestion to feed the working poor?

How is striking helping the poor? The ppl striking are asking for more monry for themselves, nobody else. Are they poverty ridden. I doubt it. They are thinking of themselves. Insular, selfish etc.

ivykaty44 · 25/06/2022 11:53

Public workers striking to offset the rise in cost of living? What about everyone else who is affected?

they also have the right to strike

i take it though you don’t take paid annual leave, maternity leave, work weekends etc? Which those same unions strived to obtain by negotiating and strikes, if you’re anti strike it would be hypocritical of you to reap the rewards of their efforts

carefullycourageous · 25/06/2022 11:55

Callingoccupants · 25/06/2022 11:48

How is striking helping the poor? The ppl striking are asking for more monry for themselves, nobody else. Are they poverty ridden. I doubt it. They are thinking of themselves. Insular, selfish etc.

I personally couldn't post such nonsense when I clearly know so little about the topic.

Amongst those striking are minimum wage cleaners and average wage earning station staff. The drivers are not striking.

The cleaners who are striking are poor.

Do you want more people to accept poverty? How does that reduce poverty? A bit of logic needed here.

Callingoccupants · 25/06/2022 11:56

So where were the unions when the Batley teacher needed help from being threatened with his life? Left wing organisations only protecting their own.

ivykaty44 · 25/06/2022 12:00

How is striking helping the poor?

the poor can strike, join unions and strive to get better T&C along with preventing pay cuts.nurses using food banks is not acceptable and if people don’t want striking what is the alternative?

as for train strikes the average worker is earning £33k so hardly a fortune and have taken 0% being asked to work harder for less pay

repeatedly we’re told to work harder, to get on in life and these people are being told to worker harder for less pay so £500 million can be syphoned of for those at the top

carefullycourageous · 25/06/2022 12:03

Callingoccupants · 25/06/2022 11:56

So where were the unions when the Batley teacher needed help from being threatened with his life? Left wing organisations only protecting their own.

Again, your lack of understanding may be affecting your views. Unions can only take action in certain, legally defined, situations. I don't know what happened to the Barnsley teacher, but presumably they were not a mber of the rail unions as they were not a rail worker?

How would it help that teacher for a railway cleaner to be paid less?

Your posts are very confusing.

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