Archie Battersbee case

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I was just wondering why we're not allowed to post about this case-the deletion message mentioned it was ongoing so wouldnt be fair to the family

Charlie gards case was on going and there was numerous threads about it

Anyway if this stands maybe we can discuss

The admin of the Dignity for All page is in court right now and updating accordingly.

Looks like a DNR is now in place (tbh I would have thought there was one anyway).

I hate to say it, but I would put money on Hollie coming out of court today and saying in interviews that the NHS wants to murder her son etc.

Absolutely that's what will happen.

Also, blatant contradiction in they've said they want him to pass naturally via cardiac arrest (why I have no idea as this will be far more traumatic) yet then appears the DNAR.

It's quite obvious what's happening and why this is being prolonged and it's disgusting. That poor, poor child.

**Appose the DNAR.

Oh for goodness sake! Oppose. I give up. I've had very little sleep. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

Regardless, of my awful spelling, my point stands.

I'd also add, the fact the DNAR has been put in place gives a fair indication of how this will go.

I truly hope Archie holds on until Friday so his passing can be peaceful and dignified.

I can see her fighting against the DNR.

I hope he goes peacefully and soon.

Are these proceedings held in public or private does anyone know? Should be private if not already.

Also, I feel there should be a no comment clause included in any judgement, either by family, supporters, judges, lawyers etc. The courts have spoken and AFAIK this is the final appeal. Just a headline on the decision is all that is required really. If I were in those shoes, I would just lock myself away and grieve for my child in private. But I'm not everyone either.

Apparently the parents asked for it to be moved to a private hearing and the judge refused. My guess; he's seen/heard/been told what mum has been putting all over social media and wants total transparency, so the medical staff cannot be vilified more than they already have been.

Archie's mother also has form for saying one thing on social media, and another in the press. What goes on in court will be no different.

And me! One minute it's saying she has accepting he won't wake up then the next posts all this stuff about how well he is doing..unless it's more of a front? Sad as it is I hope this is true and they have accepted he won't come back from this. From sounds the decision comes out Friday and until then is a notice in place?
Hopefully she is around the right people...

Archie's mother also has form for saying one thing on social media, and another in the press. What goes on in court will be no different.

Wasn't the parents who said this.

The judge will have refused because of exactly what you've said here. He'll know exactly what's happening on social media and how the mum is saying one thing in court and the exact opposite online which is why he will keep the proceedings public, so the truth is there for all to see.

She's stirring up the 'army' for one reason and one reason only. This stopped being about Archie weeks ago.

Not read the ft but can't believe this poor boy hasn't been let go yet. While none of us want to lose our children, her son is already gone. I get that it must be unbearable but why drag out the inevitable?

Gosh, yes, @iloveeverykindofcat - that has really made me wince.

Yes, that is a thing we've seen in history, even in ancient societies desecration of a body is shocking. I "get" the mother's grief, anyone who's had a very poorly child will weep for Hollie's anguish, but, I am very uncomfortable, this poor lad deserves some dignity in death.

And, now there's a precedent, what happens if there is the next family in a similar tragic situation?

If a parent was doing harm to a live child by refusing to follow medical advice then there would be a clear role for social services, or even psychiatric assessment and support for the parent? But here? I have no idea. Who's role is it to look after the interests of a dead child? What ARE his interests?

I'm disappointed it's just a DNR. I suppose it will protect the staff against being expected to apply paddles to the body of a child. I really hoped that the judge would be able to say to turn the machines off, IANAL and I guess there isn't law to cover this situation.

I am glad I'm not a nurse on that ward. I'm terribly clumsy and would possibly trip up right next to the plug and pull it right out the wall.

It makes no sense.
So many people lose loved ones suddenly. No chance to say goodbye, no chance to say the things you always wanted to. How many people would have given anything for that chance?
Archie's mother has that chance... but she would rather he go in a chaotic and unplanned manner. How tragic would it be if he passes when she is giving an interview somewhere?

So just to be absolutely clear is there any chance of anymore appeals?
I absolutely don't think it's in Archies best interests to prolong this ,but is there anyway the family can have any last ditch appeals?

am i getting this right all theyve ordered today is a dnr? thats it so this could go on and on infintiely?

The outcome is on Friday apparently

From reading the dignity group..if understood it right. Final judgement will be announced Friday and until then a DNR order is in place incase something happens between?

quote from the court

Archie Battersbee hearing - Mom on the stand for 30min now -- "Archie is fighting" Let him fight. "Still a possibility, however small, he may get better."

yes ive just read about judgement friday-i hope for their sakes he holds on on a way so they can be there but who knows

Archie is fighting" Let him fight. "Still a possibility, however small, he may get better."
There isn't any chance? Is there? Even a tiny chance?

Waiting with interest to see how Hollie presents today to the army page. Ella Carter was getting salty on the DFA Facebook page moments after court finished.

No. The judgement will be handed down at 10:30am on Friday. The judge has ordered the DNAR in the interim. Which as I said is a fair indication of how this is going to go.

I saw that. Surely Archie's family would be surrounding him right now, and not arguing on FB.

@XenoBitch it's really kicked off, she's been on calling people dickheads, she's called someone a vile bitch. Threatening the admin of DFA with legal action and so on. Given that there was no judgement today I'm guessing they're very angry about the DNR which makes me wonder if poor Archie has been closer to passing away than they've been letting on - we know we has had at least 2 cardiac arrests but the family downplayed them and said it was just a drop in blood pressure.

It's intresting that each time these cases happen the behaviour of the Army groups go the same way. Profile pics..bracelets made. Lots of posts of how much they love the child and that. Anyone who posts anything that goes against the narrative is seen as a troll and banned. Even if they raise a fair point. Its all been the same sort of behaviour! This one started off quite calm then has blown up over the last few months.