To be relieved the world is starting to see some sense?

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Fina bars transgender swimmers from women's elite events if they went through male puberty www.bbc.co.uk/sport/swimming/61853450

They are not an oppressed group.

I said males, intersectional feminists believe TWAW and therefore belong in feminism.

Laddy for a man is patronising.

Laddy in reference to a trans woman is transphobic.

You're a self-proclaimed intersectional feminist who has spent all evening scolding me for not being "respectful" to a naked erect knob causing distress to women in a women's changing room.

Intersectional feminism means believing the rights of men trump women?

Well it certainly how you seem to be presenting the intersectional feminist perspective.

Looking on the bright side...Now that Thomas no longer has a licence to cheat to train to meet the demands of elite competition Lia will be able to focus on a transition which goes beyond simply suppressing Lia's testosterone level to twice the upper limit for women.

Why should anyone give a damn what you think, or moderate their behaviour because of it?

You do not want women to use accurate language to describe a male abusing women. You seem like someone who’d tell a rapist to refer to her attacker as “she” and call them transphobic if they didn’t. Don’t you dare try to police my tone.

Laddy in reference to a trans woman is transphobic.

It may be in your book, but it isn't in mine. A Transwoman is not a woman. Even if he has surgery and takes hormones to suppress his testosterone, he is still not a woman. Most of them don't have surgery.

To be fair, I call Lia detransitioning as soon as Lia graduates college. I think Lia was about to lose scholarship due to the abysmal performance in the men’s races, and this was a way to keep the scholarship, abuse women and become a member of a ‘vulnerable and oppressed’ group. I see Emily Bridges going the sane way

I haven’t intended to scold, just expressing a view. If anyone has been scolded I think we can safely say it is me! I’ve been called a penis up thread! 😂 I can be a feminist and also stand up for the rights of trans people. And no one has been forced to reply to me! If you wanted to spend your evenings doing something else you really should have!

"Cis women". I come on MN to get away from that nonsense. It is literally the only place where most posters are not drinking the " Transwomen are women" Kool-Aid.

Absolutely no one needs to give a damn what I think. We’re all just on the internet to discuss things aren’t we? As much as I’ve disliked the tone here, there’s nothing I can realistically do to change any of your behaviour. Other than put together excellent arguments and hit ‘post’!

And I’ve not realised till just this very evening how anti trans Mumsnet actually is. I’ve had my eyes truly opened!

Well when you’ve put together an excellent argument do press post. They do say if at first you don’t succeed…..

I'm actually going to put the sarcasm aside for a moment.

You came on here telling us we needed you to police our language because you knew better. And yet you didn't know that many women consider "cis" to be offensive, or what I was referring to when I mentioned Thomas' knob in the women's changing room. You also appear to think that "knob" is equivalent to racist or sexist slurs.

Perhaps it is not we who need further educating.

Netmums might suit you. There are a lot of " Be Kind" 'cis' women there.

If believing that transwomen are transwomen is transphobic, I am happy to be so.

Are you claiming here that a trans woman is a woman? It certainly reads that way.

What definition of “woman are you using”?

And I think this is the crux of the whole of the last few mad pages. I consider certain language to be transphobic, the rest of you don’t. I don’t see why there needed to be such fury over this but I guess being on the internet does bring out the rage! I wonder what any of you would have done if you’d met someone like me in the pub 😂

Me too @CaliforniaDrumming I’ve been called a TERF and transphobe so often it holds no meaning now. When weather, biology, and trees are transphobic, and transphobe means acknowledging reality, yeah I’m a transphobe.

Why don’t you give that a try then, rather than just telling people that they are transphobic?

Why not start by clarifying what you mean by “woman”? Your posts suggest you don’t have a bloody clue what the word means.

Or will you just dodge the question?

Except that you're hung up on precisely two comments in a long thread, one of which was merely acknowledging the fact of women being forced to endure a knob in their changing room.

While you're feeling so enlightened, may I suggest you now cast your pearls among TRA Twitter?

@StolenCookie gor away from you as fast as I could. I don’t engage with misogynistic idiots in real life.

See the days when you could get women to shut up by shouting" transphobic" or " terf" are fast fading. We don't care any more. Happy to be called that.

And there it is. You post nothing approaching a decent argument, and then just go for the insults.

Let’s drop the pretence sonny, everyone can see what you are.

I never said I knew better! Just expressing an opinion, same as everyone else. I guess everyone believes what they say to be true and sensible?

And I also never said I don’t need to be educated. I’ve welcomed knowing that a certain subsection of feminists find ‘cis’ offensive. That was new information for me! And as much as people have been completely infuriated by my posts, it’s not really been my intention to offend people. If a woman tells me not to refer to her as ‘cis’ then I shan’t. I take no pleasure in mislabelling anyone!

there’s nothing I can realistically do to change any of your behaviour. Other than put together excellent arguments and hit ‘post’!

So why haven't you?