Couple murdered by neighbour over parking row

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Can't help think of the poor couple who were stabbed to death by their neighbour over a parking space last year. Their children were in bed asleep.

The neighbour has been found guilty this week. He was never going to get away with it. He went home and phoned the police and told them what he had done. Very hard to understand how he couldn't have cared less about their children or his own children or going to prison.

Anyway got me thinking have you ever had really terrible arguments with neighbours that escalated. Have you ever put up and shut up because you were or are afraid of the neighbours and don't want any trouble.

Apparently parking spaces are really high on the list of neighbour arguments. I guess you never really expect to be killed but these days does it make you wary?

It's hard to tell from the photos. I can imagine it would be difficult if it is a narrow road, where I live if someone parks right up to our drive you need to do an 8 point manouvre to get out because the road is so narrow and if you can't swing out you are a bit trapped. The people opposite us have 3 cars and a one car drive so often park outside our house, if they get too close to our drive it is really annoying, not annoying enough to kill them and they are all very nice and I know they don't do it on purpose. I'm sure if I asked them to move a bit further back they would. My nextdoor neighbour gets very angry which is why they end up close to my drive as they make sure the shadow of their car won't touch her garden/drive/space on the road in front of her house.

Really? I'd think a grown man killing a mother in an unprovoked attack would be prosecuted and convicted. I base that on 17 years working for the police, some of that preparing files for Crown Court and I never saw any evidence of that.

I don't know about murder, but certainly every time I called the police about (1) my house having been burgled by known individuals in the area who also burgled other neighbours' homes and (2) my father's brand new car that was stolen from outside my house when he visited with the street and a neighbour having CCTV, the police absolutely couldn't care less and has done exactly zero.

What's silly about it? When CR was booked in to custody at the police station, he gave his serial number even though he had been out of the military for 6 years and had been driving a lorry and then working at nuclear factory. I do think it was a cynical attempt from him to act as if he thought he was still in the military, especially as he called the police 20 minutes after killing the Chapples and admitted what he did. He was a chancer pretending he had PTSD. From the Guardian:

When booked into custody at the police station he gave his serial number from his military service. He said he was confused and didn’t understand why he was there. The custody sergeant explained he had been arrested on suspicion of murder, to which Reeves replied he was “just doing [his] job” and that “it was an operation”.

Well apparently no they don't! According to my local council and their 'supplementary planning document', no parking spaces need to be allocated to any new residential builds, no matter what the size!!! not sure if this is only relevant to our area 'run' by our 'clowncil' or whether this is a nationwide stipulation.

In our area, we have many new plans going through, one of which is a plan for 38 flats being built on a plot of land that currently houses a take away/restaurant and a car sales place on a main road with double yellows. NO parking spaces are being created. All residential roads nearby are already rammed with parked cars so if the flats get built, parking issues are going to kick off big time. Whomever makes these planning rules is a sandwich short of a picnic! The mind boggles.

Really? I'd think a grown man killing a mother in an unprovoked attack would be prosecuted and convicted. I base that on 17 years working for the police, some of that preparing files for Crown Court and I never saw any evidence of that.

I was thinking amore about juries. There were a few killings in lockdown where the male killer was let off due to MH issues after killing a woman.

There is definitely something about parking/cars that makes some people lose their minds. Thankfully no violence here, but there have been some nasty rows/letters on windscreens over the years.

We have issues where I live despite the fact that there is lots of on street (resident permit) parking and many houses have driveways. Some people with driveways purposely park in front of their houses to stop other people parking there which seems ridiculous to me. Apparently I've ben old that it is also because they want to leave their driveway free for visitors (who 9/10 park on the street. It's bonkers 😆

The government changed the rules to allow so many homes per meter, so it’s them to blame not developers (although, just because the can doesn’t mean they should, traditional garden villages were such a good idea)

they get through planning on the basis of being green and eco. I have one near me where cars are banned, so people just park on near by streets. It’s stupid especially for workman. Does nothing to discourage car use

Do you think they'd have done anything different if you'd been a man? I know responses are bad, much worse than when I was working for them but it is the "he'd have got away with it if he'd only killed the woman" that I don't understand. It certainly wasn't how murders were dealt with back then.

One of the jobs I did was setting up and running the admin in murder investigation suites and I never saw this.

OK, I rarely actually went to court so I'm not sure about juries although the team I worked with had a very high conviction rate so maybe not so obvious to me.

I’m assuming the red qashqai is the one that struggles to get out. I can see the swing would be tricky especially if there’s cars parked on the opposite side of the road (which it looks like there is). he might even have to turn right, turn around and then drive down the road.

The developers have really done a brilliant job of causing issues there haven’t they.
the only solution would be to swap parking spaces, but that qashqai space is a nicer space (apart from the blocking in) and once your on shitty terms your not going to get be amicable.

I feel if a community police officer has paid them a visit and told Chaple not to park there and Reeves to calm down, the whole thing could have been sorted early on. It’s just a shame things escalated over something so petty and now 2 kids will grow up without parents. Such a waste!

Get some strong people over to lift his car out of the way- regularly- until he gets the message.

There is a proposed new development near us where they have not even allowed for one car per household in the parking. This is not a London borough where there is excellent transport, this is in semi-rural Kent where the county council doesn't give a shiny shit about providing a regular bus service. They are in cloud cuckoo land - everyone will have a car and will park on nearby streets.

We have NDN who's a bit nuts about 'his' road in front of his drive. Nobody's ever parked in front of his drive, as it is dropped kerb and there is plenty of space for all the cars. Then, couple years ago, he had white line painted on the road. That, evidently, wasn't enough, and now he's stolen (self admitted!) 3 roadworks cones from the main road, when they were repairing it, and keeps them on the road in front of his drive. My neighbours are in their late-seventies and don't drive that much themselves- their last car had 275 miles on after 2 years! It doesn't impact my life in any way, but I am a bit irked every time I see those cones on a public road in front of his house. We started calling him 'Cone's Ronnie'- his name is Reginald 🤣

Get some strong people over to lift his car out of the way- regularly- until he gets the message.

Or he murders you on your own sofa whilst your children sleep upstairs.

Just look at all of the aggression that motorists display when having to slow down

One of the papers added a photo of the parking situation

That sounds like the one near me, shit expensive public transport.
it is madness, trades refuse to visit as they can’t park near and don’t want to lug stuff or leave their vans.
all the residents cram into all the other streets which piss those residents off.

the argument now should be strongly against them as they don’t allow for electric charging. It doesn’t discourage car use

The ring door bell footage made it look like there was a car on the corner opposite. That would have made pulling out a nightmare.

admittedly not worth killing someone over. But still annoying

the two cars squeezed in 1 space also encroach on the pavement but in front of the homes.

Do you think everyone who has PTSD has a diagnosis? That's very naieve. In this case I have no idea if he actually did or not, either way he has killed 2 innocent people and destroyed the lives of their children so of course he should be punished; but there's a lot of ignorance and naivety floating around on this thread as well.

@Meraas he was sentenced to 15 years and recommended for deportation. He did try to appeal but that was rejected.

Yes I think you are right. All so stupid but as we know from threads on here not being able to get off your drive is really annoying as a one off, if it is regular and you've asked them not to do it even more so. Once people are into a dispute it can be hard to get them to see sense.

better to have coerced sex than be beaten and raped.
possible killed.