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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or is my husband re my nephew?

134 replies

TurtleDucks · 17/06/2022 21:58

I am married to a Muslim Arab, very happily married and there are no issues around us being different religions as he’s not that religious.

DSis is also married. Her husband is a racist bastard and wants nothing to do with us because I married a Muslim. Took a while for the truth to come out but when I started dating my husband, I realised BIL was less friendly and slowly pulling away, but I didn’t realise there was an issue until DSis finally told me. He justifies his racism saying he has his reasons for not liking Muslims and not liking Arabs and wants nothing to do with us. I think DSis knows more about his views than she lets on, but that’s for her.

It does mean DSis is in a tricky position. We don’t live anywhere near each other so only visit my hometown 3-4 times a year, and each time he makes it really difficult for her to see us, going as far as threatening divorce. DSis recognises she’s in a controlling and emotionally abusive relationship, but she keeps hope that he will change so she has no interest in leaving him.

They’ve reached a compromise of sorts that when we visit my parents, DSis can visit us, but their son, my nephew, can’t. He realises he can’t stop DSis from seeing us, but can stop their son.

Now on to the AIBU. This really upsets me. I want to see my nephew and want him to be close to my daughter. I know they won’t grow up together as we live too far apart, but I want them to be close as cousins. DH on the other hand feels that DD shouldn’t have a relationship with my nephew on the back of all this. He says his feelings for my nephew has changed, as he used to really adore him when he was first born, but is now indifferent to him because of the issues with his dad. He says he feels no love or warmth for him anymore.

I keep getting upset at the whole situation and want us to find a solution but DH says that this is all their doing and we need to protect DD from any potential negative behaviour from my nephew. He has already told us his dad doesn’t like us, so there is a possibility his dad is feeding him more stories and as DD is mixed race, we need to protect her. He isn’t stopping me from finding ways for DD to see my nephew, just thinks we shouldn’t force it. But to me, family is so so important and it breaks my heart that DH isn’t being proactive in building a relationship between DD and my nephew.

I do think DH is more hurt by the whole situation than he makes out, but it’s DSis that is in the difficult position as it’s her marriage that’s affected by this.

OP posts:
ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 17/06/2022 22:00

Your husband is completely right. Protecting your family from racists is more important than a cousin relationship. Hopefully your sister will come to her senses and then you can reassess.

ChompChamp · 17/06/2022 22:04

Your husband is completely right. Protecting your family from racists is more important than a cousin relationship. Hopefully your sister will come to her senses and then you can reassess.
The first part of this, although I’m not sure I’d be maintaining a relationship with your sister…

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 17/06/2022 22:05

The sister needs to know her family are there when she feels able to leave. Cutting her off just traps her with her abuser.

No need for the OP's husband or daughter to see her until she's free of him, though.

BecauseICan22 · 17/06/2022 22:05

I'm with your husband on this. Protect your child from a child who's father is directly racist against your child's father meaning indirectly racist against your child.

When your nephew is older, he can make his decisions.

BecauseICan22 · 17/06/2022 22:06

Oh and I think your DH is the most impacted by this, not your sister. She chooses to remain with a racist.

Mally100 · 17/06/2022 22:07

I'm with your dh too. He is prioritizing your daughter while you are prioritizing the greater family. It's sad because your dn is innocent, but he is being raised by a racist and unfortunately that is going to affect how he views you all. You have this idea that the cousins will be one big happy family, but what if your dn says something
or treats your dd awfully. I think its best to create that distance now, you live far apart to be close cousins anyway.

Discovereads · 17/06/2022 22:08

Sorry but your DH is right. Your priority should be protecting your DD from your racist BIL. Secondly, why does your DH have to be “proactive” about pushing your nephew and DD together when it’s your BIL that is forbidding your nephew from having any contact with you, your DH and your DD? It sounds like you are holding your DH responsible for your DD and nephew not being in contact as cousins when it is 100% your racist BILs doing. Your heartbreak is misdirected- it’s all the fault of BIL. And who knows how he is brainwashing your nephew.

It’s best to leave it alone. If nephew grows up a decent person and breaks with his racist dad, then he and your DD will still have most of their lives to get to know each other as cousins. It’s not now or never.

TheUnexpectedPickle · 17/06/2022 22:09

Oh gosh, how horrible, what an awful awful man.

I'm so sorry you're in this position. I can't believe your sister has stayed with a raging racist to be honest, if my DP showed any sign of this towards my sister's DP- or anyone else for that matter- he'd be out the door.

I have to agree with your husband though. Although you can't guarantee your nephew will have picked up any of these beliefs from his father, he may not be old enough to have developed his own morals. Plus what is your sister like at home? Does she play along with him as he is controlling?

You absolutely must protect your daughter from any chance of racial abuse, be it from a cousin or anyone else. Its shit that poor nephew will suffer, but she is your priority. As is DH- you need to put on a united front for him! He does NOT deserve this treatment.

All you can do is support your sister as much as possible and try to open her eyes to what is happening in her relationship.

Best of luck to you lovely.

Mally100 · 17/06/2022 22:09

BecauseICan22 · 17/06/2022 22:06

Oh and I think your DH is the most impacted by this, not your sister. She chooses to remain with a racist.

This as well. Remember your sister is also guilty of being a racist by choosing to stay with one and raise a child with one. Your dh is extremely understanding by even tolerating her, so I would not push this further.

AlsoknownasOther · 17/06/2022 22:14

Yeah, I really wouldn't agree with it being your sister in the worst position.

Your sister's decision to stay with her husband is negatively impacting on your nephew, your daughter, your husband, you ...

She's pretty complicit.

I don't agree with your husband taking it out on your nephew though. Your nephew didn't choose his dad.

Snoken · 17/06/2022 22:21

I am quite impressed your DH can even tolerate your sister. I also wouldn’t encourage a relationship between my mixed race DD and her racist aunt, because in my opinion you condone racism if you don’t stand up to it. I can’t even imagine what that does to your DD emotionally.

Anothernamechangeplease · 17/06/2022 22:22

So your BIL is a shameless racist, your sister doesn't seem too bothered by his racism, and your nephew is almost certainly being raised a racist. And you think that your DH is being unreasonable because he doesn't want his mixed race dd to be exposed to that.

Seriously?

Your DH is the target of horrible racism from within his own extended family. Your DSis is choosing to stay in her marriage for whatever reason. How is this affecting her life now more than his?

AmandaHoldensLips · 17/06/2022 22:25

That's so shit. Racist parents raise racist kids. The cycle perpetuates with another generation of racists.

I cut my racist brother out of my life years ago. His attitude and behaviour is abhorrent.

leavethewallalone · 17/06/2022 22:27

I completely agree with your DH. He sounds like a very patient man and he is looking our for your DD who is the priority here. I wouldn't want my mixed race child to have any relationship with DN if they were being raised by a racist IMO. And I feel like your sister is condoning it.

How is your sister even with this vile man?

Merryoldgoat · 17/06/2022 22:29

I’m black and my DH white. If any of his family reacted negatively towards me he’d put a stop to it immediately (although I probably would first).

Your sister is complicit whilst she stays and reliant on a family bond being more important than your principles.

CatherinedeBourgh · 17/06/2022 22:33

By not only continuing your relationship with your sister and nephew but also expecting your dh to do so you are being complicit in their racism.

You need to start standing up for your dh, and not indulging your sister's (racist) behaviour.

Anothernamechangeplease · 17/06/2022 22:35

Thinking about this more, OP, I'm surprised that your DH is not more upset about your own attitude towards all of this. You seem to be really minimising the racism.

My DH is not white. If my BIL was racist towards him and my sister condoned it, I would cut contact with all of them. Forget the cousins or the family relationships.

Family means nothing if family members cannot show basic respect towards one another.

SemperIdem · 17/06/2022 22:37

I agree with your husband.

You must put your daughter first - I wouldn’t want her anywhere near your sister, her husband or their son, in your shoes.

Your poor husband has tolerated open racism for years and just wants to protect his daughter from it.

Why don’t you?

Blanketpolicy · 17/06/2022 22:43

For the sake of everyone it is time to accept the reality. There will be no close cousin relationship, your dh is not being unreasonable to say he doesn't have a bond with a nephew he barely knows. For the sake of your own family consider LC with your sister too.

Unless your BIL gets a brain transplant or your dsis leaves him it is out of your control, so let it go.

RoaryLion1 · 17/06/2022 22:49

Agree with PPs. I understand you want to preserve family relationships but I think you are really minimising the impact this must be having on your DH. It’s not like DH and BIL don’t get on or just have a bad relationship - BIL is making judgements on your DH and DD purely on basis of their race. I’d find that incredibly upsetting and I think you need to consider your DH’s feelings when you push him to facilitate a relationship with DN/DSis.

also - minor point but if BIL doesn’t want DN to see your DD, what are you expecting your DH to do about it?

Aquamarine1029 · 17/06/2022 22:49

Your sister is every bit as reprehensible as her husband. You don't seem to realise this.

Maurepas · 17/06/2022 22:50

Your DH is correct for multiple reasons.

BadNomad · 17/06/2022 22:53

I don't understand why this is being discussed. Your nephew isn't allowed to see your family, so why does it matter if your husband agrees with the cousins having a relationship when it's not even possible?

And what possible solutions is your sister proposing? I would leave it up to her, really. It's her family. She is the one supporting and enabling the racist.

Ottersmith · 17/06/2022 22:58

I don't think any of this should be taken out on the nephew. It isn't his fault and he should be allowed to see his cousin. Your sister needs a wake up call though. Can you write her a letter or something saying the impact this has had? Dou think she would ever leave him? She really needs to leave him for the sake of her son.

Littleraindrop15 · 17/06/2022 23:02

agree with your husband you need to prioritise him and your daughter over dn and dsis

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