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I quite like Chris Packham

209 replies

Stressedout65 · 16/06/2022 21:57

Is it just me or is there something about Chris Packham. I've never really taken much notice of him before, but in another life I think I would!

OP posts:
Nolongerteaching · 16/06/2022 22:26

@LoonyLurcher

Could you say more? I’ve never heard this. Thought he was a big champion of the countryside

Jellykat · 16/06/2022 22:27

Hes justified in disliking farmers if theyre anything like the ones around me!
Taking care of the countryside? love to see it flourish? youre bloody joking..

Jellykat · 16/06/2022 22:28

stillvicarinatutu · 16/06/2022 22:25

Farmers - who gave them that land ? And what do they do environmentally ? I live in a place that's mostly agricultural and there is no wildlife. It's all farmed . For profit .

And yeah I hate gamekeepers. Killing foxes and raptors to keep rich people in a hobby shooting pheasants they leave to rot ?

Love Chris packham. Always have . I like people with asd . And I like Especially interesting intelligent people who speak it like it is .

Agree 100 %

madamedesevigne · 16/06/2022 22:29

I once saw him on Springwatch turning swallows upside down and blowing on their stomachs to see if they were male or female and my mum said her friend would probably like him to do that to her, so it’s not just you.

Bobbleballbags · 16/06/2022 22:29

TooManyAnimals94 · 16/06/2022 22:05

Awful, hypocritical, loathesome little man. And the BBC should be ashamed to employ someone who is the absolute opposite of impartial and uses their platform to push his own agenda.
And sexy? Eeewww

What has he done/said? I used to like him on the really wild show when I was younger.

RoyKentsChestHair · 16/06/2022 22:32

Grin that gave me the gallops!

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 16/06/2022 22:34

Oh God the animal hunting country dwellers have arrived. Chris Packham is one of the good guys and anyone who says otherwise is an old fashioned tally ho idiot who enjoys killing animals for fun under the guise of 'managing the countryside'.

But I don't like him like that OP, but I can see why you would 😉

TooManyAnimals94 · 16/06/2022 22:46

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 16/06/2022 22:34

Oh God the animal hunting country dwellers have arrived. Chris Packham is one of the good guys and anyone who says otherwise is an old fashioned tally ho idiot who enjoys killing animals for fun under the guise of 'managing the countryside'.

But I don't like him like that OP, but I can see why you would 😉

Where have any of us said we kill animals for fun?
I'm sure CP does care about animals, but he cares about politics more and thinks if he goes about it in a cute and cuddly way we won't smell the bullshit.
I tolerated him as an irritating idiot until the General License fiasco of 3 years ago.
He is happy to show lambs frolicking around on Springwatch but thinks Welsh hill farmers should give up their livelihood and homes to plant non native trees. He's a menace.

LoonyLurcher · 16/06/2022 22:47

Nolongerteaching · 16/06/2022 22:26

@LoonyLurcher

Could you say more? I’ve never heard this. Thought he was a big champion of the countryside

He is, but his hatred of gamekeepers is hypocritical.

Yes part of the gamekeeper’s job is trapping some carnivores when numbers are out of hand, but this isn’t just for the sake of pheasants for wealthy shooters, they do an awful lot of work to conserve many species of wildlife, just like the RSPB did when they culled deer for the same reasons.

We live in a human infested country, full of people who need to eat and need to work, that’s not going to change any time soon. Packham’s take on it is that we should leave wildlife alone, forgetting that in doing that many species will go because they rely on a level of protection that is provided by the very people he is vilifying. As areas have been built up, wildlife habitats have shrunk and changed, meaning that some species need more protection (eg ground nesting birds) when other species (eg foxes) are thriving. Unless we all want to disappear off the face of the earth and allow the planet to be truly wild, we will need to carry on managing certain areas to maintain healthy numbers of species that would otherwise vanish.

I live in a gamekeeping area, in the last 15 years we’ve seen an upturn of ground nesting birds and waders, thanks to the year round work of the gamekeepers. Curlews, which I believe are technically endangered, are flourishing round us, numbers go up every year, thanks to combined efforts and monitoring of gamekeepers and farmers. We see buzzards, kestrels, red kites and other birds of prey on a daily basis - 10 years ago there were very few in our area. We have also started seeing migrating sea eagles in recent years.

Of course Packham has a point, but when he talks about farmers and gamekeepers, having worked on farms and lived in the middle of the countryside all my life, much of what he says shows very little knowledge of what actually happens. It’s like he’s decided on his stance and is sticking to it no matter what.

LoonyLurcher · 16/06/2022 22:52

Just want to point out that I dislike hunting.

I’m not really sure why organisations like the RSPB are seen as good despite them trapping and culling animals to protect certain species, but when gamekeepers do it it’s bad. It doesn’t really make sense.

stillvicarinatutu · 16/06/2022 22:54

Gamekeepers are not
Necessary.

What happened before they were here ? Did all nature go tits
Up ? Or did it self regulate?

stillvicarinatutu · 16/06/2022 22:55

Why not read the science and stop
Making excuses for animals to be killed because it affects someone's profits ?

ManateeFair · 16/06/2022 23:04

I don’t fancy him but I massively admire him. Also I’ve met him twice through work and he was great. Absolutely no filter, which I think is probably autism-related, but he was extremely interesting and funny. And he was also very kind to me.

Highlighting damage done to the environment by farmers and gamekeepers is, in my sane world, a good thing for anyone to do.

LoonyLurcher · 16/06/2022 23:05

Packham had to be corrected recently by the Scottish chief veterinary officer as he was giving wrong information about avian flu.

He regularly ignores the work, research and monitoring done by gamekeepers and farmers, because it’s easier to stick to his activist world view, even though his view has been demonstrated over and over again, in these circumstances, to be wrong.

Crocsandshocks · 16/06/2022 23:07

Love him and had a crush on him for a while.

Immaterialatthispoint · 16/06/2022 23:27

YABMU.

He is a misinformed, arrogant twat.

Many examples of this, including those referenced above by @LoonyLurcher and @TooManyAnimals94

and hunting is nothing to do with it.

LibrariesGiveUsPower · 16/06/2022 23:30

stillvicarinatutu · 16/06/2022 22:25

Farmers - who gave them that land ? And what do they do environmentally ? I live in a place that's mostly agricultural and there is no wildlife. It's all farmed . For profit .

And yeah I hate gamekeepers. Killing foxes and raptors to keep rich people in a hobby shooting pheasants they leave to rot ?

Love Chris packham. Always have . I like people with asd . And I like Especially interesting intelligent people who speak it like it is .

Grow all your own food do you?

QuidditchThroughtheAges · 16/06/2022 23:35

It took me far longer than I care to admit that the designer Jenny Packham is his sister!

QuidditchThroughtheAges · 16/06/2022 23:36

That I realised his sister is Jenny Packham *

Thelikelylass · 16/06/2022 23:42

madamedesevigne · 16/06/2022 22:29

I once saw him on Springwatch turning swallows upside down and blowing on their stomachs to see if they were male or female and my mum said her friend would probably like him to do that to her, so it’s not just you.

He'd have his hands full blowing on my belly, like.
Nice thought though.

stillvicarinatutu · 16/06/2022 23:43

I do grow much of my own yes . Im also vegetarian.

I buy responsibly, locally where I have to .

Your point is ?

JaneJeffer · 16/06/2022 23:47

I can't take to him at all.

MayDaze · 16/06/2022 23:53

Yeah the lovely fluffy farming and game community being so badly victimised by an activist having an opinion and sticking to it that they published his address on Facebook, sent death threats, human excrement in the post and had dead crows left on his gates.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/30/chris-packham-reveals-death-threats-made-in-bird-shooting-row

I'll side with Chris any day of the week thanks.

PolishedCrown · 16/06/2022 23:55

Love his views. He’s intelligent and kind.

FrecklesMalone · 16/06/2022 23:58

Gamekeepers and farmers in the main have contributed terribly to the climate crisis. I say this as someone who grew up in the country