Flight to Rwanda

[lbab1702]

I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

There were no Africans due to be in that plane tonight. Those men were from Iran, Iraq, Syria and Vietnam.

No one has yet to come up with a good explanation for why true refugees fleeing for their lives would not claim asylum in the numerous safe counties they pass through instead of continuing on to get to the UK.

Oh it has.

Many speak English.
Many have friends and/or family here.
Many have been sold a dream.

The government has introduced this, but they have not told anyone in Calais about it so it's not going to stop anyone crossing the channel, or trying to.

I remember seeing a programme a few years ago where they interviewed people in the Calais 'jungle', one was asked why he didn't apply in France for asylum, he said he had to get to England because then he would get a house and a wife.

He was telling his relatives on the phone that he had a job and how good his life was.

If immigration keeps rising at the rate it has since 2020 our great grandchildren may be living in a Britain where the majority of voters support Sharia law. That's a thought and a half!

Next time you need to be wheeled through hospital by a porter, or treated by a Doctor who was an immigrant, or eat fruit and veg picked by immigrant workers, or served a coffee, or operated on in hospital by someone who was an immigrant.... perhaps you'd like to reflect on your pathetic ignorant words.

I presume you're upset the flight didn't take off.

treated by a Doctor who was an immigrant

The predominately men entering the country illegally are highly unlikely to be doctors or ever will be

The plan was that once in Rwanda the asylum seekers would be found jobs. Why can't they be found jobs here, there are industries crying out for staff. Oh, wait. The UK government's own rules don't allow asylum seekers to work until their claim for asylum is settled.

Not one iota of this scheme makes any sense whatsoever. It is just populist red meat for the racists.

Actually that’s not true. Many people making the journey are more highly educated because they are the ones who have both the drive and the money to come. So engineers , doctors or people who had their training interrupted because of war. They speak English or have English qualifications as many places base their education systems on the U.K. system. This is another reason why they want to come to here because they want to finish their education. If we let people work whilst their applications were being processed ( as they do in other countries) many would pay for themselves and also pay taxes.

Evidence?

Oh they don't need evidence, just regurgitate the made up stuff they read on FB.

The country would not be in this stupid mess if people were not so easy to con. Anyone still following Johnson's lying leadership these days is a class A idiot.

The best bit is they paid £500,000 of my money for a flight that didn't take off.

Either the government knew there was a risk the flight wouldn't take off - in which case they are messing with you and deliberately wasting our money, or they didn't know - in which case they had not done their homework properly.

Either way - this government is not only unpatriotic, but shit at it too.

That was my money they wasted on a stunt just to wind up the stupid people. If you think this 'policy' is the answer, you are a fool. You are being played by a dreadful lying man, who has lied to you over and over and you keep going back for more.

I agree with you about men in Ukraine, it is horrific and awful for them

I hadn’t seen that chart before, it is rising and I think it will rise as global issues become more stark

Another home goal for the Tory Party.
It's really becoming rather tedious.

The reason it is mainly men making the trip is because they know it isn’t safe. But if they can get over here and then claim asylum then when they are settled and working they can then bring their family over via safer routes.

do people really think people make that trip for the fun of it?

Denmark are following to see what happens, Australia has drastically changed numbers but I do wonder about external courts, maybe there aren’t any to rule in same way.

All the Tory party care about is getting through another day. They are not governing - they are creating crises to distract the public from the fact they have zero policies to tackle:
-NHS crisis
-Economy/cost of living/poverty crisis
-Fuel crisis
-Food insecurity crisis
-Social care crisis
-Climate crisis
-Housing crisis

etc., etc.

There is nothing, nothing, nothing that will benefit me, my family, my local area coming from the government at present. Nothing.

They are a vaccum where a government should be.

The country would not be in this stupid mess if people were not so easy to con. Anyone still following Johnson's lying leadership these days is a class A idiot

Yep. They will now start cheering on the UK renouncing the ECHR without a thought in their bigoted heads about the serious ramifications of that.

This all looks to me like some sort of electioneering by Bojo, they must have known these legal challenges would happen, even without the appeals, UK courts had already determined so many should stay in the UK.

So the conclusion is this is just another Euro basing scheme, a means to get the UK out of its Human Rights obligations and an attempt to boost the Govt's standing.

Terresa Coffey unable to say how people can claim asylum from outside the UK... because there isn't any.

The issue is the policy is not confirmed as being legal under UK law as there is an outstanding JR of the policy in the system. The ECHR only said they should delay until that is heard as it is not certain how people would be brought back if the JR states the policy is not legal.

The government was deliberate in its decision to charter the plane whilst the policy was under review, to whip up outrage on both sides. And waste some more of our money, too.

That is all the government does - stir up division in Britain. It is not governing. The government is an unpatriotic divisive mess.

You obviously didn't read the rest of my post when I'm talking of other workers apart from Doctors. Not sure what your point is?

There needs to be something done to stop channel crossings, not only is it dangerous and fuels criminality ie the people smugglers; but not sure this solution is the best one. Rwanda itself is beautiful- actually lower crime rates than here hah and whilst some of the horror would be the same level wherever people were being flown, part of it is because there's a lot of ignorance about Africa still.

Whilst there are still British people who can't afford a roof over their heads, food for their children, can't escape run down communities that have had little investment and remain in the poverty/crime or drugs cycle then of course they are going to not be overly supportive of others who come over and get popped in hotels. Can't really blame them to be honest, I know there's oh well they're safe at least and not in a war torn country like the people coming over- but the effects of tory cuts and policies in some areas are astronomical. For me it doesn't effect my life much so I can be supportive of immigration but actually for every bigot that is ignorant there are others who genuinely would be supportive if they weren't struggling through. Same was with the brexit vote, some were promised changed and naively believed it because it was better than the alternative of things staying the same.

They need immigration at the top of voter's minds to give any chance to win the Wakefield by-election. Johnson has to win the Wakefield by-election because the only reason he is still in his role as leader of the Tory party is that he 'reaches parts of the electorate other Tories can't reach'.

The flight had to be scheduled for before 23rd June - even though they should have known it was at risk of being halted. What they were not expecting, I think, is that UK courts would allow it and the ECHR would not. There is an issue around the GFA being built on membership of the ECHR. Luckily the type of people they are trying to appeal to for votes are not exactly details people.

They are using this issue to distract from their utter failure on all policy areas affecting my life, your life and everyone else's lives in the UK.

If you think the biggest issue affecting your family is whether the 50 people on that flight were processed in the UK or Rwanda, you are either very wealthy or very, very stupid.

I think there was an expectation the UK courts would at some point halt the flight, perhaps on some legal technicality.

If the government thought that placing those crossing the Channel should have their claim assessed outside the UK, they could have chosen any one of the number of UK territories abroad. Not a country where there has been a genocide in living memory.

The Tories are appealing to their voters with this policy, their voters who genuinely think all of the above is solved by shipping the brown people off our shores

Where do you have in mind?

The other part of it is who will agree. Looking at the history of Nauru for Aus the agreement was reached because it was a way to get income

There is no mechanism for claiming asylum in the UK unless you are in the UK.

The only way to get asylum here is to enter illegally.