Flight to Rwanda

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I’d love to get a flight to Rwanda. Beautiful country and people ( I’ve been there before) but I don’t understand why refugees to the U.K. should go there.

Reason given that they think they would like to know where they are.

Next step: they'd like to know whether children are in school, so let's shove tags on them. And Rees-Mogg would like to know whether civil servants are at their desks - tags on. Then they'll decide they fancy keeping tabs on the unemployed to make sure they're getting up in the mornings - tags on. And so it goes on.

However, I also noted that no alternative solutions were being offered either.

The alternative is so obvious that Patel even said at one stage she was going to implement it - offering safe passage combined with efficient asylum processing. So, @atomsgirl, there wasn't really any need for Cooper to tell Patel what she obviously already knows perfectly well.

That it isn't based on any facts?

IF YOU STILL THINK IT’S ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION YOU STILL DON’T UNDERSTAND THE ASYLUM SYSTEM.

I wouldn’t normally mind but it’s been ten pages of this.

Why, isn't he allowed free speech when having private conversations?

This is a chilling thought.

With the Tories being completely independent of having to consider those pesky European human rights things could spiral in the UK.

How is it bursting at the seams? Last I looked, we aren't falling into the ocean. Sure, things like the NHS and education systems are overstretched, but that is because they have been appallingly mismanaged by this government.

When you ignore the facts, and when you resort to childish terminology, you really cannot claim an ability to reason.

What exactly has that got to do with this thread, which is about asylum seekers, not illegal immigrants?

to deal with that fucking annoyance, I started upping my donations to a charity that supports asylum seekers and refugees every time anyone posted a shitty, uninformed, un-evidenced comment, every time someone posted “but they’re all economic migrants!” every single time.

Brilliant idea, @BewareTheLibrarians. I'm joining you.

@AmaryIlis yay!❤

Callingoccupants
Friedaseyebrow
Agree it is a beautiful country - but I chose to go there. These people did not and it is abhorrent that we are doing this. It honestly makes me ashamed to be British. And please don't come at me with the 'we're full' argument, it's bollocks
What's bollocks about the we are full argument?

UK isn't Full Up, what it has is severe lack of infrastructure and a younger work force BUT if your right & it is full up, why is Boris allowing millions of other migrants to come here who are not fleeing war?

There are some empty mansions the golden visa Russians left behind....

Please post about the 'bad consequences' without labelling everyone the same

Curious

The very premise of a human life being 'illegal' I think starts from the wrong premise.

I really get tired of people contorting themselves in these discussions when the truth is the reason the red carpet was rolled out for Ukrainian refugees is simply because they are white. It's very hard a lot of the time to explain to white people (especially as a non-white person) how being white makes so many things in life exponentially easier! Literally anything you can think of. This Rwanda policy is all about keeping the wrong type of 'foreign' people out. It's genuinely that simple.

Offshore processing in France is another option.

The 'jumping the queue' language is so disingenuous. They've deliberately set up a system where no legal queue can exist and then excoriate people for jumping it. Kafkaesque doesn't start to cover it.

The idea of a non-existent queue that can be jumped is a Lynton Crosby fabrication that the UK has imported wholesale from the equally dishonest conservative rhetoric in Australia.

No one is saying that any human life is illegal. It's not illegal that they exist. They are in a place where they are not allowed to be.

I suspect the reason the 'red carpet was rolled out' for Ukrainian refugees is that they were mainly women and children, the men stayed to fight. Rather different than the prominently men trying to cross the channel who've ditched any identification they had.

But sure, if your simple mind wants to think it's about race then go ahead.

But sure, if your simple mind wants to think it's about race then go ahead.

My very simple mind (you missed out the word simple) doesn't want to 'think' it's about race. Speaking as an incredibly simple minded black woman who's so simple I sometimes wonder how I manage to tie up my shoe laces without falling over, I 'know' that almost everything is about race.

Yours,

Simple of mind

No one is saying that any human life is illegal. It's not illegal that they exist. They are in a place where they are not allowed to be.

Well, we don't know whether or not they are 'allowed to be' here until their claims have been processed. Which cannot be done if they are not here. The catch-22 works very nicely for those who don't want anyone foreign here, doesn't it?

'Simple mind' - no wonder civil discourse is in short supply these days.

@Isitsixoclockalready ok, poor choice of words. Poster said it's simply about race, but it's not that simple.

Shot:

Of course you would if you view the world through a racial lens.

Chaser:

You might experience some racism, but I bet it's far, far less than all the times you think it's happened.

I really always try and stay away from discussing race on Mumsnet because it's honestly like extolling the virtues of bacon on a vegan forum but alas.

You may experience some racism, but I bet it’s far, far less than all the times you think it’s happened.

^^

You have no way of knowing if you are right or wrong about racism if you don't listen to those who experience it.

The problem with your mindset is you will remain ignorant.