How have the court of appeal allowed the Rwanda thing to go ahead?

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This seems extremely costly, very bad for the climate change challenge in terms of flights and staggeringly lacking in humanity.

How have the court of appeal allowed these flights to go ahead?

I guess if we rewind from the the real question is how and why on earth are our government pushing this awful idea?

@converseandjeans Do asylum seekers move themselves to those places, or does someone decide that for them? Why are the people making those decisions making the impact worse on disadvantaged areas?

They don’t end up in disadvantaged areas by choice. They aren’t banned from working by choice. They don’t take glee in taking school places by choice.

If you're posting saying it's a disgrace I would be interested to know whether you would happily have groups of young migrant men hanging about while your daughter wants to walk to a friends, whether you are ok with the school place you wanted (because it's where you went & your mates kids are going) being allocated last minute to someone who just arrived

All of that is down to UK Govt not funding public services and not providing suitable housing for asylum seekers.

Few refugees down here, hard to get GP appoint's and all local schools are classed as over subscribed... and it was a local man who bludgeoned a local woman to death, a local man who gunned down 5 people.... not a Syrian in sight....

Poor attempt at fermenting fear of refugees

They can't even provide affordable/suitable housing or services for the people living here and paying for it

I agree too. This is rather a generalisation, but it seems that most people who express this view of welcoming with open arms seem to be quite privileged with houses, pension pots, holidays, children well-educated. I.e. people who are immune to the petrol crisis, or the cost of living crisis, or the housing crisis and who can afford to extend an offer of the country's generosity and hospitality.

Not the people who don't have a pot to piss in, who see the boats of young men on the front page of the Daily Mail and feel rather anxious and resentful about being queue jumped for GP appointments, housing and education opportunities. Sneering at them is not going to make their millions of votes go to a different party.

With 'they' you mean the government? Yes 12 years they had so far.

Schroedinger’s asylum seeker innit. Only makes up 0.25% of the UK’s population but simultaneously stealing every council house and gp appointment up and down the country, while taking every primary school place despite only being young male economic migrants. <nods sagely>

I live in an area of England that has an above average number of people with EAL (partly in due to Joanna Lumley's campaign). My child is in year 11 and since December he has had a few children form Afghan and other countries in his English class (as well as a number before that) who naturally takes up a bit more of his teachers time. He's been fine with it and despite the frothing from certain members of the local community there have been no issues.

So according to this thread having compassion for asylum seekers marks you out as wealthy. That shows a very low opinion of poor people really. I didn't lose my humanity and ability to know right from wrong when I became disabled and lost my job 20 years ago. If anything it's magnified my concern for people who have nothing.

Oh come on Librarian, this has been going on for 30 + years and the housing has been allocated to some asylum seekers/economic migrants however much you pretend it hasn't otherwise how do they survive

Any word yet on the number of vulnerable refugees that the UK will be taking from Rwanda, in exchange for sending a few people ( 7 or 6 now ? ) to Rwanda as a deterrent ?

Not exactly, but there of plenty of us who vote in favour of parties with policies that would support this.

They must be very different refugees than the ones who wash up on the shores of the Greek island where my mum lives, most are fluently bilingual and degree educated.

And yet Sunak can lose £ 11 billion quid by failing to insure against interest rate increases - and barely a mention in MN.

Luckily since Brexit we have taken back control of our borders so the refugee problems have shrunk to a much bigger size.

Well it is a choice of the Tory government to enrich its mates by various fraudulent schemes rather than support the people of the country.
Quite what it has to do with refugees I don't know.

I live in an area of England that has an above average number of people with EAL (partly in due to Joanna Lumley's campaign). My child is in year 11 and since December he has had a few children form Afghan and other countries in his English class (as well as a number before that) who naturally takes up a bit more of his teachers time. He's been fine with it and despite the frothing from certain members of the local community there have been no issues.

Yes Joanna Lumley who of course has access to the best housing, private healthcare etc so has no clue about the real world. Maybe the 'frothing from certain members of the local community' are because their child couldn't get a school place or their child isn't getting the help from the teacher they need.

Bewarethelibrarians

They don’t end up in disadvantaged areas by choice. They aren’t banned from working by choice. They don’t take glee in taking school places by choice.

No of course not. But because it's cheaper & also people in those areas are unable to express themselves as confidently as those in middle class areas.

You just need to see the uproar when there's mention of a skatepark or the travellers park up for a few weeks.

Putting more asylum seekers into an area seems to increase votes for the likes of Farage. I'm not saying that's acceptable but it's a fact.

Yes I'd be interested in this.

Not much discussion around the reciprocal aspects.

What do you reckon? 6 asylum seekers from the Uk in exchange for how many Rwandan deportees? I assume they are all qualified in key areas.

Am I right in thinking you are complaining that the Tory government for the passed 12 years has failed to fund education enough, but instead has focussed on fraudulently enriching its mates?
Quite what this has to do with refugees I don't know.

They have certainly bent over backwards to abuse human rights for their own citizens and others, including making abortion illegal and sentencing women and young girls to imprisonment, murdering their opponents and other abuses of human rights so serious that the BRITISH government raised concerns about their record only last year. That was before they signed the contract of course. Now they are our best friends.

I don’t believe I pretended it didn’t happen. But 0.25% is 0.25%.

Also, when their asylum claims are approved, they work, paying taxes, contributing to the country.

What’s more of a problem is the Home Office’s backlog at working through asylum claims. Most should be resolved within 6 months, but claims are taking as long as 18 months. That’s three times as long (quick maths), and having to fund hostels/hotels/detention centres for three times as long is a shocking waste of money, down to another failing government system.

@lollipoprainbow No, it wasn't that. There are plenty of school places. They prefer to complain about a mural celebrating the Nepalese heritage or making stuff up about missing cats/dogs ending up in curries.

It is ok, Boris knows what a woman is.

@caringcarer please answer this.

you advocate applying properly. What is the process for this from outside the uk?

Yes. Isn't it?!

I live in an area full of immigrants. My kids go to school with their children. And I can tell all you racist Tory voters, commenting on here, that I'd much rather have them as my neighbours than you! You are misinformed and blaming the wrong people for your problems.

"Yet over 75% of asylum claims are approved meaning they are in fact real asylum seekers and not economic migrants, who don’t tend to risk their lives in dangerous boat crossings when they have other safe"

Tosh.

Absolutely not the case.

Many of the migrants are trafficked here for work in the black economy and drug industry. Many incur huge debts to traffickers which have to be paid back. The whole thing stinks and I for one am surprised that the Government had the balls to go through with it.