How have the court of appeal allowed the Rwanda thing to go ahead?

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This seems extremely costly, very bad for the climate change challenge in terms of flights and staggeringly lacking in humanity.

How have the court of appeal allowed these flights to go ahead?

I guess if we rewind from the the real question is how and why on earth are our government pushing this awful idea?

Because they don't belong here. If they need a safe country, they are in one when in France.

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen I completely disagree that the majority of people are illiterate? Where on earth did you get that fact from - I'd love to see a source?

I work with asylum seekers and the vast majority are literate and most pick up Entry level 3 English within 18 months (i.e. well before they receive a decision from the Home Office and can legally work).

Many asylum seekers are already bi-lingual and well educated.

Whilst I agree there is an across the board lack of services for everyone, I don't think it's wise to make out that they will be an ill-educated drain on society once granted LTR.

For regular people perhaps, but for the asylum seekers that are being sent there, that reality is very different. This is worth a read for a “real understanding”.

”Asylum seekers in Rwanda have said they have been left in a “traumatising” poverty-stricken limbo for years, barely able to afford clothes and constantly in fear of the country’s brutal security forces, an investigation by The Telegraph has found.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/asylum-seekers-resettled-rwanda-eu-scheme-abandoned-poverty/

Quite, and it’s going to get far worse in the future as climate change and wars over resources force massively increased migration. It would be lovely if we could look after everyone who wanted to come here, but we have to be realistic - things are going to get worse here too over the next decade and we need to stop illegal migration (and probably legal migration and genuine asylum seekers too at some point). The open borders crowd are completely divorced from reality.

You can always move to Rwanda yourself if England is not good enough for you.

Not as much as you’d think. This thread is quite an informative read.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SqueakinglyJen/status/1536725423039598593

“I asked a Sudanese boy who had badly broken his leg on his third attempt to get on a moving lorry from France. He had not been allowed to claim asylum in France and had been beaten by police. He'd heard he'd have a fair hearing in the UK.”

We simply can't afford to house, feed, educate and look after the health of these people. We are an island that is over populated and already struggling. It's a lovely idea in principle to welcome migrants in, but what the whole world needs to be doing is clamp down on the Governments that are forcing these people out of their natural states.

@IanOsenfrote I was about to say the same thing.

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen @MongoOnlyPawnInGameOfLife

You must be quite angry then about the reciprocal part of this scheme? The government (unsurprisingly) hasn’t publicised this part, but the UK will be settling refugees from Rwanda in return for the refugees we send there.

Leaving aside any moral questions, do you think military intervention on a huge scale would be cheap?

It's interesting that this part of the agreement appears to have gone un-noticed by the media.
Under paragraph 16 of the agreement, the UK has agreed to resettle a portion of Rwanda's “most vulnerable refugees”.
This raises the question of how we can be confident that Rwanda can care for vulnerable asylum seekers being sent from the UK.

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Yes and let in everyone who wants to live here. Can't see anything wrong with that plan. Let all the refugees and migrants come here. Thousands, millions of them and tell them that the government will pay for their housing, schools, health care, all for free. Just change the government and that will solve the world's migration crisis. Yay!

This is supposed to be about dissuading future illegal immigration, so if it does that (which admittedly is yet to be proven) then why would this kind of arrangement make me angry?

I don't have a problem with the policy. We have numbers the size of entire cities coming in each year and it's not sustainable for reasons PPs have given.

I don't know what the answer is but the Rwanda opponents seem to offer nothing except to disrupt the solution that has been chosen, and rant about the rich/Tories.

Then how does our country take our fair share of responsibility for the global refugee crisis ?

That doesn’t mean France isn’t a safe country, it clearly is.

Trying to get on a lorry after his application was declined is not a reasonable thing to do.

I guess if we rewind from the the real question is how and why on earth are our government pushing this awful idea?

Because they know the fuckwits who vote for them get their rocks off seeing brown people degraded and dehumanised for daring seek asylum in the UK.

Nobody knows if they are 'economic immigrants' and seeking asylum is not illegal..

@WallaceinAnderland you’ve clearly never heard of a moderate middle ground. Millions is ridiculous hyperbole and I can’t take it seriously.

Young working age people work. With an aging population that’s actually essential. When asylum seekers claims are successful, they start working, paying taxes into the UK system. And asylum seekers aren’t all illiterate villagers, a large proportion are doctors, lawyers, professors, skilled workers and literate. The government is not going to be giving out free housing and bags of free money. They barely do that for British people.

I don't feel sorry for a country prepared to collaborate in the transportation of people against their wishes for profit.

Have to agree, it has become unsustainable

@BringBackCoffeeCreams they might be happy to be sent to safety and comfort has anyone actually asked them what they want rather than people speaking for them??

@NotKevinTurvey He was beaten by the police and you think that’s a safe country? I work with asylums seekers and that kind of experience is not rare for people coming through Greece, Italy and France. They can’t guarantee being housed, their camps are destroyed and they face the risk of violence. Do you think that’s an acceptable way to treat children? Or only acceptable if they don’t follow instructions?

@BewareTheLibrarians Oh yes all those doctors, lawyers etc coming over in boats.