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To not have made my son share

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Noshare · 12/06/2022 16:21

At a soft play type place today and my son was playing with something, another little girl kept coming up and trying to take it off him (both about 2.5). I kept politely saying 'sorry sweetheart he's playing with this one' and giving her something else which she'd take away and play with for a bit and then come back.

My son can get a bit fixated on certain things so he was playing with this for about 15 mins.

Anyway, the little girls mum came up and asked my son if he would share it now and let her have a turn and I said 'hes playing with this at the moment but as soon as he's finished she can have a go with it'. She scoffed and said don't I teach my children to share. I replied that our definition of sharing obviously differs.

They were like blocks in different shapes but she wanted the specific block my son had even though she'd piled up the others which were practically the same if that makes sense?

If he was on a swing or something and it was the only one then I'd of course tell him to let someone else have a turn now after a certain time but I don't think sharing means just giving someone what they ask for when they ask for it if that makes sense? There were plenty of other things practically the same as this item her daughter could play with.

Was I being unreasonable and failing to teach my son to share by not making him just hand over what he was playing with the moment he was asked?!

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DontLookBackInAnger1 · 12/06/2022 20:41

GrinAndVomit · 12/06/2022 20:29

But that isn’t what was happening.
A girl was going around and taking all the blocks. There was only one left, which OP’s son had. She wanted that final one. OP is teaching her son that just because someone demands something from you, you don’t have to capitulate.
She had enough of the blocks. It would have resulted in her having all of them and him having none. How is that sharing?

But that's irrelevant. I'm sure there was an abundance of other toys in the soft play, not just blocks.

The girl wanted to finish her game, that requires the last block.

In that situation I'd have said to my son "son, that little girl would like a turn of this block. We've been playing with it for a long time. You have two more minutes then we'll go find another toy, we can come back to the blocks after a few minutes".

It's ok, they won't be traumatised. It teaches them flexibility, empathy for the other child, turn taking.

Why aren't you considering the little girl's feelings in all of this? She's worked hard creating a tower, she'd like to complete it. She's waited 15 mins and, presumably, has shown quite s lot of patience for that age.

That's the crux of sharing isn't it; it's about realising that there are two (or more) people invested in a situation. And they all deserve to be treated equally where possible. Hence everyone gets a turn.

I would also expect, if son wants to return to the bricks after 5/10 mins, that the girl would share the bricks back.

I find it a bit strange how many grown adults don't understand the value of teaching children to share and basic discipline.

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GrinAndVomit · 12/06/2022 20:45

DontLookBackInAnger1 · 12/06/2022 20:41

But that's irrelevant. I'm sure there was an abundance of other toys in the soft play, not just blocks.

The girl wanted to finish her game, that requires the last block.

In that situation I'd have said to my son "son, that little girl would like a turn of this block. We've been playing with it for a long time. You have two more minutes then we'll go find another toy, we can come back to the blocks after a few minutes".

It's ok, they won't be traumatised. It teaches them flexibility, empathy for the other child, turn taking.

Why aren't you considering the little girl's feelings in all of this? She's worked hard creating a tower, she'd like to complete it. She's waited 15 mins and, presumably, has shown quite s lot of patience for that age.

That's the crux of sharing isn't it; it's about realising that there are two (or more) people invested in a situation. And they all deserve to be treated equally where possible. Hence everyone gets a turn.

I would also expect, if son wants to return to the bricks after 5/10 mins, that the girl would share the bricks back.

I find it a bit strange how many grown adults don't understand the value of teaching children to share and basic discipline.

It’s not irrelevant.
How can you simultaneously believe it’s ok for one kid to demands all the blocks so that no other child can have any yet, one kid wanting to play his game, with his one block is unfair and not sharing?
How is that equal?

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 12/06/2022 20:48

I'm sure my 10 month old dgd would do really well in soft play left to nuture her own independence

She would totally be able to navigate the older toddlers wanting to take toys off her

And I'm sure all the 2 year old would be fine too, none of them would come to blows at all

Respectful parenting 🙄 shame toddlers don't really understand respectful playing together nicely

PAFMO · 12/06/2022 20:53

PlantSpider · 12/06/2022 18:34

No, of course, remember that all reports must suggest OP and her child are terrible and block collecting child is an angel! We must not ruin the collective trouncing of the OP, people, or we’ll ruin the feel good self righteousness that we’re all seeking.

You sound deranged.

Moomieboo · 12/06/2022 20:54

At A&E yesterday my severely disabled child pointed out a box of cars. Within seconds another mum asked him to share...she'd been sat there for god knows how long. We handed them over and my boy decided on the animals. He wanted them too and started removing them from him....he can't really fight back as he's in a wheelchair. Sometimes other kids are just brats despite you trying your hardest to keep everyone happy!

MichelleScarn · 12/06/2022 21:18

How can you simultaneously believe it’s ok for one kid to demands all the blocks so that no other child can have any yet, one kid wanting to play his game, with his one block is unfair and not sharing?How is that equal? l know! Its baffling! 'How dare he want to play his game, her game is much more important!!' 🤔

SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2022 21:19

MissyB1 · 12/06/2022 19:03

I work in a nursery. Your ds would have had to take his turn then pass it on to the other child after a set time. I use giant sand timers that take 5 minutes - he would not have had 15 minutes as thats too long for 2 year olds.
I would not give a hoot whose game was what, or who though they had more claim to the toy. At 2 years old they have to take turns, thats all there is to it.

As for all the parents on here who don't believe in turn taking or sharing, if your kids go to nursery they wont have any choice about it!

I think it does vary by nursery, though? My DD's nursery was fairly Montessori-ish, and they certainly didn't do sand timers or rules about sharing. I agree with other posters that the other mum just should have left them to it - probably the OP's DS would have been quite capable of saying no, and it wasn't fair for an adult to intervene and push.

PlantSpider · 12/06/2022 21:20

PAFMO · 12/06/2022 20:53

You sound deranged.

Thank you for elegantly proving my point. Hopefully it felt good.

PAFMO · 12/06/2022 21:23

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cansu · 12/06/2022 21:26

I think you could have and should have encouraged him towards something else after a while. You were almost making a point by not doing so. Very odd behaviour on your part.

PlantSpider · 12/06/2022 21:34

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I had assumed you were. It was a nice, direct and clear personal attack from you, don’t worry, no confusion on that point. If you’re accusing me of being a sock, you’re misguided and doubling down.

SunflowerGardens · 12/06/2022 21:38

'They’ll do a much better job of teaching eachother that than you can. All you’re teaching them is that fairness is something externally imposed, rather than something intrinsic they need to develop for themselves'

That was the premise of Lord of the Flies, look how that turned out

StarFlecks · 12/06/2022 22:01

I don't think you were being unreasonable. Yes, it's a communal area but if I understood correctly your son wasn't playing with the only block of that kind available. She had identical blocks but wanted to collect all of them. That's fine if it isn't busy and no one else is playing with the blocks but in this case your son was playing with one (and I imagine so were the other kids till she took it off them but that's just conjecture)

Yes, fifteen minutes is a long time to wait for something for a 2.5 year old but equally fifteen minutes is no time at all for a child that is engrossed in some thing. If it wasnjy child I wouldn't have asked them to share ahd I wouldn't have asked another child to give up their toy either.

StarFlecks · 12/06/2022 22:03

I don't think you were being unreasonable. Yes, it's a communal area but if I understood correctly your son wasn't playing with the only block of that kind available. She had identical blocks but wanted to collect all of them. That's fine if it isn't busy and no one else is playing with the blocks but in this case your son was playing with one (and I imagine so were the other kids till she took it off them but that's just conjecture)

Yes, fifteen minutes is a long time to wait for something for a 2.5 year old but equally fifteen minutes is no time at all for a child that is engrossed in some thing. If it wasnjy child I wouldn't have asked them to share ahd I wouldn't have asked another child to give up their toy either. I think the other parents on here are incredibly rude to think that a child should give up their only toy to another child that already has a pile of them..

CocoCactus · 12/06/2022 22:06

@DontLookBackInAnger1

It's most definitely a parents job to guide, model and teach children.Morals are inherent, they're taught.

I said it’s not a parents job to referee minor squabbles about a toy. I agree, It's most definitely a parents job to guide, model and teach children. Children do not learn from what they are told, they learn from what they witness and copy from us.

What would you do if your child was upsetting others with their words? Or snatching toys? Or blanking others and upsetting them?

If they’re acting like that there’s a reason and they need my help. I follow Janet Lansbury’s wisdom:

“So, I would go close. Not run over, but walk over calmly, because this isn’t a physical emergency and I don’t want my child to feel that I’m panicky. I don’t want to be panicky about this, and angry about this, and emotional. I want to see what’s really going on here, which is, oops, my child went there.

Maybe later I’ll think about it, and I’ll figure out what I might be doing to contribute to this. But all I need to know now is my child isn’t at her best right now, and she’s being unkind, and I’ve got to help her. She can’t help herself; she’s showing me that she can’t.

So, I’m going to be as discreet and kind about this as possible, always modeling the kindness I want to instill in my children. Holding her by the hand, or putting my arm around her, doing what I need to do to be able to talk to her for a moment.

What I would say would be, “I can’t let you talk that way, that can hurt feelings. I can’t let you do that.” And following through with my “I can’t let you” by kindly escorting her out of there. But I’m not blaming her. I know that she doesn’t want to be that person that’s unkind, and it’s my job to stop her.

The manner in which we do this is make or break. And the way to have that manner that’s helpful, and discreet, and private about this intervention, as private as I can be, that comes from again and again working on visualizing what’s really going on here: a child who has lost control, even if it looks very controlled. She knows it’s not a good place, so she doesn’t need that lesson. She doesn’t need to be told again and again.

From there, taking my child aside for this time-in, I will likely learn a little more. I will see my child either express relief, take a moment, and then be able to go back. Or I will recognize, hmm, my child is tired, maybe has a full-on meltdown at that point. That can happen, that those unkind behaviors are the tip of the iceberg to stronger feelings that a child has inside that they need to release. So that might happen, in which case maybe I would help her to the car, or somewhere even more private.”

www.janetlansbury.com/2019/05/when-your-child-is-unkind-she-needs-your-help/

“Trust is also a gift for parents, because it means we don’t waste our energy trying to urge development forward or “fix” issues that are usually best resolved by providing children with a nurturing environment and leaving the rest up to them. Attempting to force development before a child is ready sets us both up for unnecessary frustration and failure. We all know the expression, “you can lead a horse to water, but…”

Do you think your children will learn the curriculum themselves? Will learn how to save money, feed themselves and navigate difficult social situations on their own?

Absolutely not

Do you think they'll thank you for basically sitting back and doing nothing?

Absolutely not

If this approach, of basically not parenting at all, is common, I guess that explains why there are so many unruly school kids out there. I work in a primary school where the teachers regularly say how pupil behaviour has declined over the years. I guess that would explain it!

Who is advocating not parenting at all? The respectful parenting approach I am advocating requires highly conscious parenting which takes a lot of thought and effort. The biggest struggles are breaking the cycle of unconscious way you were parented and letting go of entrenched notions that children do not have the capacity or wisdom to figure out stuff for themselves without adults interrupting vital developmental processes. Who knows why behaviour is declining. Maybe behaviour is declining because children don’t have the freedom that was granted in previous generations? Technology? Unfettered Capitalism? Examination culture?

StarFlecks · 12/06/2022 22:17

I don't think you were being unreasonable. Yes, it's a communal area but if I understood correctly your son wasn't playing with the only block of that kind available. She had identical blocks but wanted to collect all of them. That's fine if it isn't busy and no one else is playing with the blocks but in this case your son was playing with one (and I imagine so were the other kids till she took it off them but that's just conjecture)

Yes, fifteen minutes is a long time to wait for something for a 2.5 year old but equally fifteen minutes is no time at all for a child that is engrossed in some thing. If it wasnjy child I wouldn't have asked them to share
ahd I wouldn't have asked another child to give up their toy either. I think the other parents on here are incredibly rude to think that a child should give up their only toy to another child that already has a pile of them.

SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2022 22:54

'They’ll do a much better job of teaching each other that than you can. All you’re teaching them is that fairness is something externally imposed, rather than something intrinsic they need to develop for themselves

That was the premise of Lord of the Flies, look how that turned out

@SunflowerGardens, you do know Lord of the Flies is fictional, right?

There was a real-life parallel, which showed what actually happened. The children helped each other and sorted out issues just fine. You can read about it here: www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months]]

SaveMePlease · 12/06/2022 23:00

Hi OP - I think there are two separate points which PP are making and it's easy to conflate them.

In the context of the girl and her mum, from what you are saying, it definitely sounds unreasonable for the girl/mum to want the single block your child was playing with because she already had loads and was actively taking them from other kids.

I think the other separate point is that in the wider soft play environment, people are saying that regardless of the girl/mum, 15 minutes is a long time for your child to play with a single item when there might be other kids wanting to play. I'm on the fence as I think it depends on the situation.

To answer your original question:

Was I being unreasonable and failing to teach my son to share by not making him just hand over what he was playing with the moment he was asked?!

No YANBU - I don't believe that is how a child should learn to share i.e. just hand something over when being asked. It also sounds like that girl needed some actual parenting if her mum was letting her continually come over to take toys from other people.

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 12/06/2022 23:13

SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2022 22:54

'They’ll do a much better job of teaching each other that than you can. All you’re teaching them is that fairness is something externally imposed, rather than something intrinsic they need to develop for themselves

That was the premise of Lord of the Flies, look how that turned out

@SunflowerGardens, you do know Lord of the Flies is fictional, right?

There was a real-life parallel, which showed what actually happened. The children helped each other and sorted out issues just fine. You can read about it here: www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months]]

Yeah those boys weren't toddlers though!

SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2022 23:20

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 12/06/2022 23:13

Yeah those boys weren't toddlers though!

Oh goodness, you're right. I'm so sorry, my silly argument that citing a work of fiction isn't exactly evidence is now totally torpedoed, because you've pointed out it should have been a work of fictional aimed at a different age range.

Or, erm ... perhaps we should treat works of fiction as works of fiction, and not proof of anything much?!

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 12/06/2022 23:33

SarahAndQuack · 12/06/2022 23:20

Oh goodness, you're right. I'm so sorry, my silly argument that citing a work of fiction isn't exactly evidence is now totally torpedoed, because you've pointed out it should have been a work of fictional aimed at a different age range.

Or, erm ... perhaps we should treat works of fiction as works of fiction, and not proof of anything much?!

I'm pretty sure @SunflowerGardens was joking about lord of the flies , but you carry on 🙄

NewbieDivergent · 12/06/2022 23:35

Most of these replies are barmy op,your son had one block,she had a lot more,of course he shouldn't have to give his up.

SunflowerGardens · 12/06/2022 23:44

@EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall I was joking, thank you! MN is so literal at times.