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To ask if Co-Ed is better than single sex..

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CHiSOCG · 10/06/2022 20:13

For girls? My DH is keen on Co-Ed. Most of my friends are looking at local single sex grammar or independent. Of course most will go co-ed comprehensive if they don’t pass the 11+ for the grammar.

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FuriousFalcon · 05/05/2024 18:05

PinkArt · 10/06/2022 20:40

I went to a single sex grammar and wouldn't send my kids to one. Amazing educationally but they're hot houses and breed both competitiveness and self esteem issues in equal measure. It's not a natural environment to be removed from the opposite sex for so much of your formative years.

Competition and self-esteem issues are more pronounced in co-ed schools, wherein the immature, underdeveloped minds of children and teenagers are ill-equipped to handle the presence of the opposite sex. They end up competing academically, and for social standing and attention from the opposite sex

I could argue that co-ed schools are breeding grounds for sexual harassment and teenage "pregnancy." It's unwise to facilitate potential incidents by placing girls and boys in close proximity

Is the device (phone, computer, etc) you're using "natural?" Is school "natural?"

It's logically inconsistent to condemn the single-sex educational model on the basis of its "unnaturalness," and rely on unnatural inventions to communicate with others

FuriousFalcon · 05/05/2024 18:19

CoffeeCantata · 05/05/2024 17:23

I deliberately haven't read the responses because I wanted to give my unbiased opinion - hope that's OK!

It depends on the child (what a surprise!) but for my academic son we chose an all-boys grammar and he was in heaven. We looked round all the local schools - without telling him our own views - but the scruffy, paint-flaking boys' grammar stood out as being right for him. It had a brisk, competitive feel where it would be OK to be a hard-working achiever and eccentricities were tolerated. He thrived there, and they had some girls in the sixth form which was great.

I really do think that for academic purposes, single-sex is best. It's less distracting! Neither of my kids ever bothered about messing with their hair or hitching up their skirts etc at their single-sex schools, but I know the pressure to appeal to the opposite sex at co-eds can be oppressive.

I went to an all-girls' grammar and I just loved it. It was exciting when we got together with the boys' school for some things, but I liked not having to have boys around when I was trying to focus on lessons!

(This is just my view based on my children and my experience. I'm not laying down the law for other people...)

Beautifully written and well-articulated

The heartfelt account of your son's experience at an all-boys school resonates with my own appreciation for single-sex education. I found the comfortable environment of all-girls schools empowering and conducive to learning. There's something (positive) to be said for the camaraderie and solidarity that form among students in a single-sex setting, and the excitement that accompanies them

Single-sex schools do offer fewer distractions. This is evident in your observation that neither you nor your children felt compelled to alter your appearance or behavior to appeal to the opposite sex

I too believe that single-sex education should be an accessible choice for anyone (parent or child) who recognizes its unique benefits

FuriousFalcon · 05/05/2024 18:30

C8H10N4O2 · 05/05/2024 17:11

Whilst I agree with your point I'm not sure if you noticed this is a zombie from two years ago?

You caught me red-handed!

Kingdom (my favorite Zombie Kdrama) inspired me to resurrect this dormant thread. My fascination with Zombies is spilling over into my online discussions 😉

FishersGate · 05/05/2024 18:56

My DD is at all girls. She's thriving with opportunities , much more confident and no more bitchiness than her friends are having at Co Ed. She still sees and is friends with boys from primary. She won't be arguing about boys like her friends are. She isn't and won't grow up socially retarded around boys like many have the mis apprehension of stating. Like her headmaster stated it's not just the schools job for socialisation plenty of other opportunities too.

C8H10N4O2 · 05/05/2024 19:09

FuriousFalcon · 05/05/2024 18:30

You caught me red-handed!

Kingdom (my favorite Zombie Kdrama) inspired me to resurrect this dormant thread. My fascination with Zombies is spilling over into my online discussions 😉

Perhaps we need a co-ed thread for human-zombie education??

FuriousFalcon · 05/05/2024 19:38

C8H10N4O2 · 05/05/2024 19:09

Perhaps we need a co-ed thread for human-zombie education??

That'd be a brilliant idea!

I can already imagine the mind-expanding, lively debates we'd have on the morality of brain consumption, the challenges of maintaining a healthy pale complexion, and the best methods for perfecting the classic zombie walking style in school 😂👏

PinkArt · 06/05/2024 18:10

FuriousFalcon · 05/05/2024 18:05

Competition and self-esteem issues are more pronounced in co-ed schools, wherein the immature, underdeveloped minds of children and teenagers are ill-equipped to handle the presence of the opposite sex. They end up competing academically, and for social standing and attention from the opposite sex

I could argue that co-ed schools are breeding grounds for sexual harassment and teenage "pregnancy." It's unwise to facilitate potential incidents by placing girls and boys in close proximity

Is the device (phone, computer, etc) you're using "natural?" Is school "natural?"

It's logically inconsistent to condemn the single-sex educational model on the basis of its "unnaturalness," and rely on unnatural inventions to communicate with others

Just sharing my own experiences of single sex education . Two years ago.

sashh · 07/05/2024 09:40

It depends on the child and the school.

I hated my single sex school but it was run by nuns and we were very much expected to do well in school but as soon as we had children to be stay at home parents.

My brother loved his school, he is still in touch with some people he was at school with. I'm not in contact with anyone from school.

I came out with a string of qualifications but no self esteem.

@FuriousFalcon

We had 16 pregnancies in my last year of school.

FuriousFalcon · 09/05/2024 10:51

sashh · 07/05/2024 09:40

It depends on the child and the school.

I hated my single sex school but it was run by nuns and we were very much expected to do well in school but as soon as we had children to be stay at home parents.

My brother loved his school, he is still in touch with some people he was at school with. I'm not in contact with anyone from school.

I came out with a string of qualifications but no self esteem.

@FuriousFalcon

We had 16 pregnancies in my last year of school.

Without knowing the specific circumstances surrounding the "pregnancies" in your school, it's difficult to draw meaningful conclusions

Throughout numerous years of attending single-sex schools, I encountered only one instance of teenage "pregnancy." During the comparatively short span of attendance at a co-ed school (one year), I learned of no less than ten girls who, with parental consent, had to undergo the procedure of terminating their "pregnancies"

The general trend is clear to me. In co-ed schools, boys and girls have easier access to one another. A heightened accessibility to members of the opposite sex exacerbates the likelihood of sexual assault and teenage "pregnancy"

OliveNewt · 20/05/2024 18:44

lanthanum · 11/06/2022 11:22

I just asked DD (yr 11) about this. She is aware that some of the boys do discuss porn and that some boys (and girls) do talk about sex, but that is amongst themselves and doesn't impact on her at all. No harassment at all.

DD is at a mixed school. This has presented no problems whatsoever. There is no bias to the boys in maths/science - the top mathematician is a girl, and there are plenty of girls at the top end in both maths and science. Her friendship group is mixed (very - not just male/female), and they are all very comfortable about that. The girls are not averse to discussing periods in front of their closer male friends!

In the long run, it's a mixed-sex world. I think we've got a lot better chance of educating boys to treat girls with respect if they are together in school. The real long-term way to improve society is not "protecting girls from boys"; it's "educating the boys so protection isn't needed".

Totally agree. Coming from Italy where single sex schools were abolished in the sixties (together with school uniforms) I really struggle with the concept of “protecting girls from boys”. My daughter will go to a mixed school, same as my son. However, my Irish husband who grew up in a country where single sex schools are the norm, has a totally different view. I often discuss the issue with my English friends here and we respect each other opinion (unlike some of the comments I see here…)

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