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So sick of walking on eggshells but can't deal with the fall-out if I don't. Advice please!

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DWofMN · 09/06/2022 11:43

I'm using DH's account, I'm not a MNer so please forgive me if I mess up the terminology - and apologies that this is long.

DH posted recently about an issue I'm having with my family and the general advice was either to go NC or to stand up to them - I don't feel like I can do either because DM has a temper but I love her dearly and treasure her in my life. She's an amazing GP to DS.

There are a few incidents playing on my mind and I don't know how to handle them:

DH and I are moving house to a new location, just over two hours from where we live. DM messaged me a couple of weeks ago to say that DSis was going on holiday to "nearby" the new house and, because DSis wanted to do an "adult only" activity with her DH, they had asked DM to come along and babysit DN. DM suggested we take this opportunity to show her our new house (I don't see why she needs to see it tbh) and I said I'd speak to the agent. The agent said it basically depends how busy they are - the owners won't allow us to just have free access to the house (it's vacant) which is fair enough so the agent said he'd do a viewing for DM if he has a slot available on the day but that he'd be prioritising people viewing properties who are actually going to purchase them (which is also fair enough). It also tied in well because I'm in my third trimester now and DSis still has my 0+ baby seat from when DN was little - and I need it back. So, I could tie in getting that back from her, I asked her to take it with her so I could get it back and she said she would. I've been anxious to get it back because DSis isn't the most reliable and I'm worried it'll be broken or missing parts and I need to know ASAP because it's part of our whole travel system.

On the day, the agent said that, unfortunately, he's fully booked up and there's no way he can do a viewing of the house for DM but that the vendors have said they have no problem with us going onto the property to look at the gardens and things - and we could also show DM the local area. I relayed this to DM, who was annoyed but ok, and I suggested we do an activity that's right next to the house that DS and DN would enjoy - DM agreed and we said what our ETA was and I sent a link and Google Maps location for the activity. When we arrived, about two hours later, there was no sign of DM and a few minutes later, DH got a text from DM that said "that's too far away..." (even though it's right next to the house she wanted to go and see) so DH replied asking her what she'd like to do. She replied "well, you could suggest somewhere closer for a start" - we don't know where she even is, all she's said to us is that she's staying "nearby the new house" (which was the entire reason she wanted us to book the viewing). She sent us her location, which was almost an hour away (and, by this point, we'd left the house three hours earlier, with a toddler and me being sick the whole time). DH drove the extra hour down and we met DM, DF and DN. DM was in a bad mood the whole time and told us she couldn't stay long (we met at a pub) because they needed to check out by 4pm (it was now gone 2pm) which I thought was odd because they were staying with DSis on her holiday so didn't need to "check out" but whatever. So, at 3.30pm DM went to the bathroom, I checked the time and said to DF we'd better head off to check out - at which point he said there's no rush because there's no check-out time. He said that just as DM reappeared, and she then had a big strop because she'd clearly been caught in a lie and just didn't want to spend any time with me. DF then wanted DH to help with lifting luggage so we went back to their accommodation to help, DSis came back at that point and said that she hadn't brought the car seat because she couldn't fit it in the car... So, I'd spent a day of my bank holiday driving for almost 8 hours to sit with my mum for 2 hours whilst she sulked, have DH sent rude text messages and not get my car seat back! It feels like I did nothing but try to appease her (by trying to get the viewing, by driving the extra hour to her, by pretending to accept she never said they had to check-out, by DH helping them pack, by not responding in kind to her rude messages etc) and all I got in return was her showing that she doesn't care at all.

DS has a birthday coming up and, because people insist on buying huge plastic toys that we have no space for despite us asking multiple times for them not to, we made an online list of gifts we think DS would like that are either activities or very small (a range of prices and no pressure to get anything). The online list is like a wedding gift registry where people say what they've bought so you don't end up with duplicates. For previous birthdays/Christmases, people have asked us for gift ideas and, regardless of what we suggest and even when we say "anything that isn't huge because we have no space", certain relatives insist on purchasing the biggest imaginable toys. I don't mean to sound ungrateful. One of DS's relatives purchased an activity gift from the list to take him to do. The next day, I got an irate message from DM asking why it's no longer available because she wanted to do that one. I asked around and found out, but explained to DM that DS would definitely enjoy doing the activity more than once so she can do it too if she likes - but she said no, she didn't want to do what someone else was doing. So, I had to ask the relative to give that up so DM could do it. Then, on a video call to DM later that day, DS showed her his new toy that he loves that he'd seen whilst we were out shopping (a small toy about £7). DM then got upset because she'd bought him the exact same toy for his birthday (how were we supposed to know that?) and couldn't return it because she'd bought it many months ago. I resolved that by saying we could return the one she has (still in packaging) as if it's the one we bought (they're identical and bought from the same store) and that DS can have the one he currently has a birthday gift from her - so she eventually, and grumpily, accepted that solution.

Then, last night, DM sent a link to our group chat to a holiday home booked for 2 days after my due date this summer. It's five hours drive from where I live, and mine and DH's share would be almost £1000 just for the house. The message accompanying the link said it was so that we could now go on the holiday. DM has been trying to book a family holiday abroad but we pointed out that we couldn't get a passport for the baby (and obviously can't leave a baby that's a day old with a sitter or anything) so obviously we couldn't go - so that was cancelled, with a lot of stropping and angst directed at me. DBro hasn't spoken to me since that was cancelled and DSis has only spoken to confirm she'd bring the car seat and then, when I saw him, to say she hadn't brought it. DSis then responded to the group chat with a pointed and sulky message about "oh, so this is instead of going somewhere nice abroad then?". I feel like I've ruined everyone else's summer holiday plans because I wouldn't go abroad so I feel like I have to agree with this holiday in the UK. But, in truth, we can't afford to pay thousands for a holiday right now and I don't want to book something for two days after the baby is due! I didn't reply in the group chat because I didn't know what to say so then I got a message late last night from DM saying that she's going to phone me today to "nail down my plans for July and August". I can't "nail down my plans" - the baby could come at almost any point in July/August (due date is the very start of August), so my only plan is to be prepared for that.

I feel like the stress of appeasing her is just too much - but it's so much less stress than either confronting her or ignoring her. So, there's no option which isn't stressful. I'm so ill, I have HG and I'm over a stone lighter than my booking-in weight and my weight is going down again. I just want to curl up in a ball, ignore everybody and cry - but that won't resolve the issue. She's going to phone me and I just don't know what to say, I don't even want to answer.

What do I do? I think I just needed to write all of that out.

OP posts:
lisavanderpumpscloset · 09/06/2022 18:45

You don't respond; that's just what she wants.

You're said you can't make it and why, end of.

lisavanderpumpscloset · 09/06/2022 18:46

Ps, absolutely well done for putting your foot down and saying no. Your DH sounds like a gem. Keep it going now, don't give back the control x

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 09/06/2022 18:52

Your DM is AWFUL> What a nasty reply.
I'd either ignore or text back.

"Not excuses, just facts". and leave it at that.

These jokers absolutely do know when your due date is, but as I said, they have zero consideration for you and know you couldn't possibly attend. They just want you to contribute to their holiday anyway.

After that I'd have no qualms about blocking them or putting them on mute and letting DH vet their messages before showing you.
Focus on yourself DH, DS and baby.

Robinni · 09/06/2022 18:58

DWofMN · 09/06/2022 18:40

Thank you to everyone for the additional recommendations for books/podcasts/strategies/tips etc since I last thanked. I am taking on board everyone's advice.

DH and I just wrote and sent a message:

"We’d really love to go on a holiday with you all but this summer sadly isn’t going to be possible for us. The baby is due on August 4th so the date on that Airbnb (August 6th) just won’t be feasible. The baby could arrive any time until mid-August. We can’t possibly know that everything will be ok with the little one, especially given the complications and being a high-risk pregnancy, so we will need to be near the hospital. We’re also expecting to move house around this time and I’m changing jobs so we have a lot going on."

DM replied "excuses excuses excuses" - which isn't the response I was expecting at all. I'm not sure how to respond to that at all.

(I accidentally just posted this response to a completely separate thread too because I didn't realise where I was posting - I couldn't delete it so I've reported it and I hope they'll take it down... oops!).

@DWofMN

reply something like this:

We feel disappointed too about the timing and health complications that have arisen over the pregnancy. Unfortunately I have been in hospital X times and have lost X weight. We haven’t been able to convey the full extent of the issues due to sensitivities within the family. I have been wheelchair bound at certain points. The health of myself and my baby has to be paramount over a holiday. I’m sorry if you feel you can’t be supportive at this time.

We hope you all have a wonderful time on holiday and look forward to seeing you when all is well with us.

Courante · 09/06/2022 18:59

I wouldn't respond to that.
What a nasty response to your very, very reasonable REASONS for declining (definitely not excuses).
Concentrate on healing and protecting your children and DH. I appreciate I am projecting but I would be wary of the fantastic grandmother act (that lasted up until around age 8/9 with us) - she treats you awfully and she will probably to do same to your DC in time.

gottastopeatingchocolate · 09/06/2022 19:01

How would it feel to not respond?

NoSquirrels · 09/06/2022 19:01

DM replied "excuses excuses excuses" - which isn't the response I was expecting at all. I'm not sure how to respond to that at all.

Does not deserve a response. Ignore with dignity. Step away.

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Minimalme · 09/06/2022 19:02

Why do you love your mother dearly op? Her behaviour and appalling treatment of you, your dh and your ds should make you review those feelings.

Quartz2208 · 09/06/2022 19:02

Yes you simply don’t respond you have said no and given reasons there is nothing else to say

Minimalme · 09/06/2022 19:04

Also, they could still go on the holiday, why are they acting like giant babies?

Is it because they were relying on you to pay their share of the accommodation?

Sure sounds like it.

Don't reply - block them all and crack on with living a happy life.

Bonbon21 · 09/06/2022 19:04

Now ignore them and their poison.
Concentrate on your own little family.
Your husband sounds lovely and now support him as he has supported you by focusing on your life together and the future you are building and growing(!).
You really dont need either to answer to them or tolerate their bad behaviour.
You have made a stand, so draw a line, keep your boundaries and be happy.
X

Meanmamma · 09/06/2022 19:14

You can’t change the people around you, but you can change the people around you.

OP, life is far too short to spend it worrying about pleasing other people at the expense of your own health and well-being. I totally understand you love your mum, but what you have described is not normal or caring behaviour, it is toxic and manipulative.

Your DH sounds like an absolute keeper. In the kindest way, you sound like you could do with some counselling, you’ve been brought up by your mum so that is your only frame of reference and if this is how she behaves, you may not know how to be assertive or put yourself first in the way that some posters with a different lived experience would be able to. Counselling would help you with this.

You’re running yourself ragged to please them, it’s making you feel rubbish and they still aren’t satisfied so you have to ask yourself, can get any worse by changing your response? It doesn’t sound like it can. You need to put yourself and your little family first, let your DH help you and put an immediate stop to doing anything you don’t want to do. Other posters have given some really good advice on ways to respond, please take the advice on board.

Scottishskifun · 09/06/2022 19:15

@DWofMN don't respond to it if she has put that in a family group chat then she has also shown her true colours to your whole family and I would hope that they see just how disgusting her response is!

She was probably banking on you guys to also pay in order for her "family holiday" to go ahead!

Massive well done for taking the first steps now rest up mute that conversation and focus on you and baby!

MothralovesGojira · 09/06/2022 19:22

@DWofMN

I really feel for you actually. I get the feeling that you're in a cycle of chasing your tail and getting more and more desperate as you go. Your mother does not have your best interests at heart. Your mother does not have your family's best interests at heart. Your problems are actually some of the worst I have actually read on here. Your mother is abusing YOU. She is guilty of cohesive control, emotional abuse and mental abuse of you, your DH and your older child. With your DC she is already setting up a Grandmother/good versus Mother/bad scenario which she is determined that you will lose and you will lose if you do not stop this now.

In your situation I would do the following:

  1. Tell your midwife and consultant what is going on. They can and will give you medical advice which you can use to justify your refusal to go on holiday - you say to your DM/DSis "my consultant says I am too ill to go on holiday this year so we will not be going with sadly"

  2. Order Toxic Parents and their Legacy by Susan Forward (as suggested by PP)
    and read it - it will open your eyes.

  3. Contact your Doctor to request therapy urgently as you are at risk of PND. It could well be that your midwife/consultant can put your forward for this as it is effecting you pre-natal health and will effect your post-natal health so it may well be asking your midwife first.

Your mindset of needing to fix everything with your mother and the need to please her can be changed with therapy. You know deep down that your mother holds the goal posts of your relationship and whenever you 'meet' her requirements and demands she just moves them EVERYTIME. You can not win and you can not fix it all because she doesn't want you too. It's a horrible thing to say let alone realise but your mother wants you to 'fail' because it suits her mindset and desires and psyche. Your DSis helps her because she wants to have your mother's favour and she doesn't want to be you - the football trying to get between mother's ever moving goal posts. If you don't fix yourself (as in get therapy) and learn that "No" is a complete sentance then you'll be on this tread mill forever more - your marriage and your relationship with your children will collapse and you will lose what you really cherish.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 09/06/2022 19:25

@DWofMN what is the absolutely worst thing that will happen if you tell her you will not be going on any holiday with the wider family this year ?
She will bring out her big guns and have a full on temper tantrum , what will that actually involve, shouting and screaming or physical violence ?
She will sulk and ignore you as punishment ?
She will cry and wail and say you have spoiled everything and try and guilt you into doing what she wants you to do ?
She will turn up at your house days after you have given birth following a pregnancy you aren't allowed to talk about and kidnap you ?

Saying no feels wrong because you have never felt able to do it, but you have it in your power to do it, and once you do, it becomes a whole lot easier. The first time is the hardest, I know, but once you do it, you will feel liberated. Do it.

MothralovesGojira · 09/06/2022 19:27

@DWofMN

There you go. While I was writing my post you have taken the first step - well done. Honestly, if I was you I wouldn't reply. You've said what you both need to say and you have nothing to add. Leave the ball in your mother's court for now and reiterate if you need to by sending the exact same message every time.
You've been very brave.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 09/06/2022 19:31

DM replied "excuses excuses excuses" - which isn't the response I was expecting at all. I'm not sure how to respond to that at all.

'Yep and all of them vaild, have a lovely holiday'

Cherrysoup · 09/06/2022 19:33

Your dm sounds unhinged. Excuses when you can’t know when the baby will arrive? No doubt she’d tell you how disgracefully are as you give birth in the car en route to the holiday. Madness. Don’t give into her ridiculous demands.

DefiniteTortoise · 09/06/2022 19:37

If you feel you have to answer, I suggest:

I'm sorry you feel that way. We hope you all have a wonderful holiday and hope to be able to join you in the future.

I know most of MN will disagree with the above as it's too plactatory for them, but it feels like the kind of thing you might be more comfortable sending (ie as opposed to a more robust fuck off).

Plus, she's only being a bitch because she knows you're right and has no real comeback....

DWofMN · 09/06/2022 19:41

I'm now questioning my sanity a bit because I thought her response was far more positive than I was expecting it to be. She's obviously annoyed but she doesn't seem angry so I thought that was a win? I'm a bit concerned that everyone else thinks it was nasty.

Thank you for your support everyone - I don't think I've ever cried as much as I've cried today (which is ridiculous).

OP posts:
StoneofDestiny · 09/06/2022 19:45

Wow - you are living under a dictatorship!

  1. you don't need to reply to that last text about 'excuses'. Just leave it. You've (over)stated your decision - that's it.
  2. learn to say No. If you can't then learn to have a list of excuses ready I.e. the estate agent and owners say No to you visiting. (Tell the estate agent you want no more visitors!)
  3. learn to be 'out of signal range' or 'dead battery' to messages
  4. recognise you do not have to answer messages at all!
  5. prioritise your marriage and child - and if necessary tell the MIL that. Your husband needs to prioritise you too - not his mothers whims.
  6. Be grown ups - say 'no' we don't want to, 'no, that doesn't suit us', no, we want to go on holiday alone' etc etc
ringemoooo · 09/06/2022 19:48

DM replied "excuses excuses excuses" - which isn't the response I was expecting at all. I'm not sure how to respond to that at all.
Yeah, that's nasty.
There is absolutely no need to respond to that at all. Your DH has stated the reasons for not going on the holiday. That should be the end of the discussion. If you reply to "excuses excuses" you are engaging with her, which is she wants.

RampantIvy · 09/06/2022 19:48

DM replied "excuses excuses excuses" - which isn't the response I was expecting at all. I'm not sure how to respond to that at all.

You don't. Mute her on your messaging app.

She treats you like this because she can. She has no regard or respect for you or your family, so she doesn't deserve any from you.

Herejustforthisone · 09/06/2022 19:51

You’re essentially in an abusive relationship with your mother. And the way you feel and react is indicative of that.

ringemoooo · 09/06/2022 19:52

Mute her on your messaging app
Agree. Limit the number of ways she can bully communicate with you. I've done this before with someone who I didn't want to cut off completely but didn't want to be harrassed via different forms of communication.

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