Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

So sick of walking on eggshells but can't deal with the fall-out if I don't. Advice please!

483 replies

DWofMN · 09/06/2022 11:43

I'm using DH's account, I'm not a MNer so please forgive me if I mess up the terminology - and apologies that this is long.

DH posted recently about an issue I'm having with my family and the general advice was either to go NC or to stand up to them - I don't feel like I can do either because DM has a temper but I love her dearly and treasure her in my life. She's an amazing GP to DS.

There are a few incidents playing on my mind and I don't know how to handle them:

DH and I are moving house to a new location, just over two hours from where we live. DM messaged me a couple of weeks ago to say that DSis was going on holiday to "nearby" the new house and, because DSis wanted to do an "adult only" activity with her DH, they had asked DM to come along and babysit DN. DM suggested we take this opportunity to show her our new house (I don't see why she needs to see it tbh) and I said I'd speak to the agent. The agent said it basically depends how busy they are - the owners won't allow us to just have free access to the house (it's vacant) which is fair enough so the agent said he'd do a viewing for DM if he has a slot available on the day but that he'd be prioritising people viewing properties who are actually going to purchase them (which is also fair enough). It also tied in well because I'm in my third trimester now and DSis still has my 0+ baby seat from when DN was little - and I need it back. So, I could tie in getting that back from her, I asked her to take it with her so I could get it back and she said she would. I've been anxious to get it back because DSis isn't the most reliable and I'm worried it'll be broken or missing parts and I need to know ASAP because it's part of our whole travel system.

On the day, the agent said that, unfortunately, he's fully booked up and there's no way he can do a viewing of the house for DM but that the vendors have said they have no problem with us going onto the property to look at the gardens and things - and we could also show DM the local area. I relayed this to DM, who was annoyed but ok, and I suggested we do an activity that's right next to the house that DS and DN would enjoy - DM agreed and we said what our ETA was and I sent a link and Google Maps location for the activity. When we arrived, about two hours later, there was no sign of DM and a few minutes later, DH got a text from DM that said "that's too far away..." (even though it's right next to the house she wanted to go and see) so DH replied asking her what she'd like to do. She replied "well, you could suggest somewhere closer for a start" - we don't know where she even is, all she's said to us is that she's staying "nearby the new house" (which was the entire reason she wanted us to book the viewing). She sent us her location, which was almost an hour away (and, by this point, we'd left the house three hours earlier, with a toddler and me being sick the whole time). DH drove the extra hour down and we met DM, DF and DN. DM was in a bad mood the whole time and told us she couldn't stay long (we met at a pub) because they needed to check out by 4pm (it was now gone 2pm) which I thought was odd because they were staying with DSis on her holiday so didn't need to "check out" but whatever. So, at 3.30pm DM went to the bathroom, I checked the time and said to DF we'd better head off to check out - at which point he said there's no rush because there's no check-out time. He said that just as DM reappeared, and she then had a big strop because she'd clearly been caught in a lie and just didn't want to spend any time with me. DF then wanted DH to help with lifting luggage so we went back to their accommodation to help, DSis came back at that point and said that she hadn't brought the car seat because she couldn't fit it in the car... So, I'd spent a day of my bank holiday driving for almost 8 hours to sit with my mum for 2 hours whilst she sulked, have DH sent rude text messages and not get my car seat back! It feels like I did nothing but try to appease her (by trying to get the viewing, by driving the extra hour to her, by pretending to accept she never said they had to check-out, by DH helping them pack, by not responding in kind to her rude messages etc) and all I got in return was her showing that she doesn't care at all.

DS has a birthday coming up and, because people insist on buying huge plastic toys that we have no space for despite us asking multiple times for them not to, we made an online list of gifts we think DS would like that are either activities or very small (a range of prices and no pressure to get anything). The online list is like a wedding gift registry where people say what they've bought so you don't end up with duplicates. For previous birthdays/Christmases, people have asked us for gift ideas and, regardless of what we suggest and even when we say "anything that isn't huge because we have no space", certain relatives insist on purchasing the biggest imaginable toys. I don't mean to sound ungrateful. One of DS's relatives purchased an activity gift from the list to take him to do. The next day, I got an irate message from DM asking why it's no longer available because she wanted to do that one. I asked around and found out, but explained to DM that DS would definitely enjoy doing the activity more than once so she can do it too if she likes - but she said no, she didn't want to do what someone else was doing. So, I had to ask the relative to give that up so DM could do it. Then, on a video call to DM later that day, DS showed her his new toy that he loves that he'd seen whilst we were out shopping (a small toy about £7). DM then got upset because she'd bought him the exact same toy for his birthday (how were we supposed to know that?) and couldn't return it because she'd bought it many months ago. I resolved that by saying we could return the one she has (still in packaging) as if it's the one we bought (they're identical and bought from the same store) and that DS can have the one he currently has a birthday gift from her - so she eventually, and grumpily, accepted that solution.

Then, last night, DM sent a link to our group chat to a holiday home booked for 2 days after my due date this summer. It's five hours drive from where I live, and mine and DH's share would be almost £1000 just for the house. The message accompanying the link said it was so that we could now go on the holiday. DM has been trying to book a family holiday abroad but we pointed out that we couldn't get a passport for the baby (and obviously can't leave a baby that's a day old with a sitter or anything) so obviously we couldn't go - so that was cancelled, with a lot of stropping and angst directed at me. DBro hasn't spoken to me since that was cancelled and DSis has only spoken to confirm she'd bring the car seat and then, when I saw him, to say she hadn't brought it. DSis then responded to the group chat with a pointed and sulky message about "oh, so this is instead of going somewhere nice abroad then?". I feel like I've ruined everyone else's summer holiday plans because I wouldn't go abroad so I feel like I have to agree with this holiday in the UK. But, in truth, we can't afford to pay thousands for a holiday right now and I don't want to book something for two days after the baby is due! I didn't reply in the group chat because I didn't know what to say so then I got a message late last night from DM saying that she's going to phone me today to "nail down my plans for July and August". I can't "nail down my plans" - the baby could come at almost any point in July/August (due date is the very start of August), so my only plan is to be prepared for that.

I feel like the stress of appeasing her is just too much - but it's so much less stress than either confronting her or ignoring her. So, there's no option which isn't stressful. I'm so ill, I have HG and I'm over a stone lighter than my booking-in weight and my weight is going down again. I just want to curl up in a ball, ignore everybody and cry - but that won't resolve the issue. She's going to phone me and I just don't know what to say, I don't even want to answer.

What do I do? I think I just needed to write all of that out.

OP posts:
CaveMum · 10/06/2022 14:31

Sorry “best you down” should read “beat you down”.

timeisnotaline · 10/06/2022 14:33

NoSquirrels · 10/06/2022 14:23

Do NOT move anything for a ‘meeting’ you don’t need to attend.

“Hi Mum, sorry, I can’t do a meeting tomorrow I have an appointment. I don’t need to be there though - we can’t do a holiday this summer at all, so nothing really to discuss.”

This - what could you possibly have to add? No, I can’t change my due date. No, I won’t put myself and baby at risk for a holiday. No, I won’t pay anyway towards a holiday i can’t go to and can’t really afford anyway. No, I won’t discuss this further. I’m your pregnant unwell daughter, when are you going to say something that sounds like you care about me? I don’t exist only for your convenience.

RampantIvy · 10/06/2022 14:38

Do not go to the meeting. It won't be a "meeting", but a session where your mum berates you, shouts at you and tries to beat you down and bend you to her will.

Hundreds of posters have been saying more or less the same thing to you, and you need to accept that maybe they are right.

Not one poster thinks your mum treats you well or that you should just do everything she tells you to.

What does that say to you?

JasmineFlowering · 10/06/2022 14:49

She will begin to panic because you've changed how you normally react. It's highly likely that she will escalate her behaviour but stay firm. It will pass and you will get there x

Vivi0 · 10/06/2022 15:08

This has been an incredibly difficult read. Your mother is so, so abusive and your responses on this thread are so upsetting.

The “meeting” is nothing more than an ambush for everyone to abuse you further and tell you what a terrible person you are. You’re pregnant with HG and due your baby mere days before this family holiday. None of this is okay. None of this is acceptable. This entire situation is abusive as fuck.

You have no other option but to LEAVE this relationship with your family. None. I know you don’t want to hear that, but it’s true. These people are not going to change and they are going to destroy your mental health. You need to be strong and healthy for your children. You will never achieve this by remaining in this situation.

Any withdrawal by you will be met by ambushes such as these and ramping up of the abuse to keep you in line. From your responses, I fear you, at the moment, do not have the resilience to stand firm in the face of this.

You need therapy ASAP to start unpicking this, seeing the situation for what it is and learning coping mechanisms. You need to protect your children from this, you have no other choice.

I am so sorry OP. You don’t deserve any of this. But the only person who can change any of it is you. They will not change, but you must.

EnterACloud · 10/06/2022 15:09

"Hi DD, I'd like to invite you to a 'Let's All Fling Shit at DWofMN' party - tomorrow! Yes I'm actually expecting you to drive for 2 hours again, but this time you'll have a fun chance to hear us all berate you in person about how rude you've been, having the temerity to sort that trip to your new house we demanded, and prioritising giving birth rather than spending a blissful holiday with me with your legs clamped tightly shut. Bring your own snacks - or don't because we all know you're really sick and we just don't give a fuck. It'll be a great chance to find out more about the feelings of people who, unlike you, actually matter. In order, that's me, your sister, your brother who isn't even here, your sister in law, the cat etc.

You better be able to make it tomorrow or... or... bad things! That's what. No I can't think of exactly what but mummy will be very cross.

Your ever loving

Mum xo"

I know it's really no laughing matter at all but I do find it cheap therapy (not as good as proper therapy) to laugh at the madness sometimes. Take a step back. Realise you're safe, you have your husband and child and the baby to come. You're up there on your mountain and you can safely laugh at the ridiculous tantrums of the ants below you on the plain. Sending strength Flowers

Sepiarose · 10/06/2022 15:18

Your mum is getting nervous and wants to nip this in the bud. Don't go

CaveMum · 10/06/2022 15:28

If you don’t attend the meeting (of course you shouldn’t go, it’s a trap!), just be prepared for some sort of crisis to suddenly come up - health crisis is my bet but it could be anything - requiring your immediate attention.

Terfydactyl · 10/06/2022 15:32

DM has sent me a message to say she's spoken to my siblings and we're having a meeting tomorrow. I have an appointment tomorrow so I can't attend the meeting - I tried to move the appointment earlier today but I can't because they don't have any other slots this weekend (and I can't do a weekday slot because DH needs to drive me and he can't get off work). I haven't replied yet

Dont bother replying, what do you think the meeting is about? The holiday? Well your not going so theres no reason for you to attend.
I know this is your first time at being "rebellious" and well done for you, but you didnt need to try to move your appointment. So next time dont even try.
This honestly will get easier each time. And keep messages short, to the point, no long detailed explanations and rare.
If you are going to read every message (get your husband to do it or mute the chat or just change phone number) sit and think, does this need a reply from me, if not then dont, if yes then think the least number of words I can use. Take your sweet time replying.
Youve come so far, you really can do this.

Vivi0 · 10/06/2022 15:43

CaveMum · 10/06/2022 15:28

If you don’t attend the meeting (of course you shouldn’t go, it’s a trap!), just be prepared for some sort of crisis to suddenly come up - health crisis is my bet but it could be anything - requiring your immediate attention.

This is actually a very important point to raise.

There are no lenghts people like this won’t go to do draw you back in. Anything that hits the guilt button in you.

Bonheurdupasse · 10/06/2022 15:49

Vivi0 · 10/06/2022 15:08

This has been an incredibly difficult read. Your mother is so, so abusive and your responses on this thread are so upsetting.

The “meeting” is nothing more than an ambush for everyone to abuse you further and tell you what a terrible person you are. You’re pregnant with HG and due your baby mere days before this family holiday. None of this is okay. None of this is acceptable. This entire situation is abusive as fuck.

You have no other option but to LEAVE this relationship with your family. None. I know you don’t want to hear that, but it’s true. These people are not going to change and they are going to destroy your mental health. You need to be strong and healthy for your children. You will never achieve this by remaining in this situation.

Any withdrawal by you will be met by ambushes such as these and ramping up of the abuse to keep you in line. From your responses, I fear you, at the moment, do not have the resilience to stand firm in the face of this.

You need therapy ASAP to start unpicking this, seeing the situation for what it is and learning coping mechanisms. You need to protect your children from this, you have no other choice.

I am so sorry OP. You don’t deserve any of this. But the only person who can change any of it is you. They will not change, but you must.

This OP.

Seeing how shitty these people are to you is upsetting for others to read. Because they/ we are broadly decent human beings - while your family are abusers. Of you.

Fluffycloudland77 · 10/06/2022 15:56

This is hard to read for me too, I went nc with my parents in 2006 after I met dh and I knew it was dh & however many years of my parents kicking off or just me and dh so I chose dh. It took them 6 months to notice I’d gone because they were sulking and not talking to me. Last time I saw them I was so scared I was sick into the bathroom sink.

Didn’t invite them to our wedding because I knew mum would find a way to ruin it for me & you can’t do wedding days twice it’s a one shot thing.

I don’t regret it. They have no power over me now, they can’t frighten me anymore. I still get dreams they’ve kidnapped me and dh can’t find me but as he points out he’d report it to the police if they did. After a week or two 😂

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 10/06/2022 15:59

Vivi0 · 10/06/2022 15:08

This has been an incredibly difficult read. Your mother is so, so abusive and your responses on this thread are so upsetting.

The “meeting” is nothing more than an ambush for everyone to abuse you further and tell you what a terrible person you are. You’re pregnant with HG and due your baby mere days before this family holiday. None of this is okay. None of this is acceptable. This entire situation is abusive as fuck.

You have no other option but to LEAVE this relationship with your family. None. I know you don’t want to hear that, but it’s true. These people are not going to change and they are going to destroy your mental health. You need to be strong and healthy for your children. You will never achieve this by remaining in this situation.

Any withdrawal by you will be met by ambushes such as these and ramping up of the abuse to keep you in line. From your responses, I fear you, at the moment, do not have the resilience to stand firm in the face of this.

You need therapy ASAP to start unpicking this, seeing the situation for what it is and learning coping mechanisms. You need to protect your children from this, you have no other choice.

I am so sorry OP. You don’t deserve any of this. But the only person who can change any of it is you. They will not change, but you must.

This with Bells on.
Where to begin? You've told them clearly that you are not coming on the holiday and they refuse to accept your very valid reasons because it doesn't suit them.

The meeting is expressly to brow beat you and make you cave. Don't go. It will only make you even more upset, stressed and ill. Look at how she treated you at the weekend when you were running around trying to please her and that was before the holiday beef blew up.
This is not just a bit of catty behaviour, this is serious.
You have a high risk pregnancy and this stress could harm both you and your unborn child. Please protect yourself. Your own little family needs you.

She physically and verbally abuses the whole family, shouts, screams, throws things at your DF. She's hit all of you as children, but also as adults. Your sister was reduced to hiding DMs alcohol and was struck by her in an uncontrollable rage for it. This kind of behaviour does not get better with age, it gets worse.

Is this really the person you think your DS should have a close relationship with and be around?
You say you work hard to diffuse the anger so that it doesn't erupt. That may sound comforting in that you feel you can keep things calm. But the recent example of that was you making arrangements with the estate agent/vendor and driving for hours - all to please someone who could not be pleased. You may calm the situation but at the root of that you are terrified of it. How will your DS cope with that underlying anger? I wouldn't let her ever be unsupervised with him.

If you want to have a safer pregnancy I think you should confide in your GP and/or Midwife about this situation, take their advice and go very very LC with your family until you have safely given birth. You need a respite from all this upset. Disengage as much as you feel able to. Or at the very least, they have to go through DH.
Let your DH screen and reply to all What's App messages, where needed.
I thought it was very telling that you were really worried about what Dsis and Dbro might be saying about you. A pp did point out what's the worst that can happen. Firstly you don't know what they are saying. Secondly, what does it matter what they think. They all say mean things. They are already saying such mean things it's making you ill, so you have nothing to lose by not engaging with them and everything to gain by getting a bit of calm peace, away from this abuse.

As a pp said, its rare to see a thread so united in advice. I really hope that you get some help and advice in RL to take care of yourself and that you manage to enjoy the rest of your pregnancy.

PlantSpider · 10/06/2022 16:05

You know that bit in a scary film where they’re about to go into a basement or outside at night and you’re shouting ‘no, don’t do it?’ - that’s us with you trying to facilitate your mum’s ‘meeting.’

She’s going to keep upping her game because she’s not getting her way, you just have to ignore it or reply blithely with ‘hope you guys find something fun to book.’ Honestly no contact would be the best thing here but I think it sounds like you’re a way away from feeling able to do that? If she was directing this behaviour at your child (she is in fact in that’s she’s putting your well-being at risk endangering both your children) would you feel more able? If not I think you should put your husband in between for now.

Itstrue22 · 10/06/2022 16:15

This isn’t positive. She’s furious. Your DM is abusive and your siblings are glad you’re the scapegoat. Don’t know if that’s just now because you’re pregnant or if it’s always been the case.

I think you need to look up passive aggression. In my opinion it’s the worst type of anger. Can never openly be addressed.

Your DM and family have groomed you to meet their needs and never ask for your own to be met. You have a dilemma because you have children. Your needs are your children’s needs. Who do you put first? You’re trying to communicate that you can’t do what they’re demanding of you because it is unreasonable. You doing this is triggering off their narcissistic rage. I don’t believe this will end well. They’re not good people for you.

Isaidnoalready · 10/06/2022 16:16

"Excuses Excuses Excuses"

No

Reasons reasons reasons

I seriously Hope you didn't go to the meeting

Tell them to forget the cat seat your going to replace it they can keep it I bet they break there arses arranging it's return just to prove how Unreasonable your being

Fluffycloudland77 · 10/06/2022 16:17

Or just don’t mention the car seat, drives them bonkers when your not bothered about something.

Escapingafter50years · 10/06/2022 16:22

She says "Jump". You say "How high?".
This is one of the most unhealthy relationships I've seen detailed on MN.
I've had to go NC with my awful mother, I'm paying for fortnightly therapy to try to deal with the realisation I've been so abused all my life and how to come to terms on the effects on me and on my husband and children.
Bad as my mother is (and she really is bad), your mother sounds even worse.
Take the advice from people here, extricate yourself from this vile family.
I promise you will save yourself from years of grief, stress and abuse.

Vivi0 · 10/06/2022 16:26

Excuses Excuses Excuses

The only acceptable response to this is “go fuck yourself” then hitting the block button.

I would encourage you to find your anger, but you’re pregnant and your baby doesn’t need that, but nor do they need the stress and upset your mum is causing you either.

They are absolute animals doing this to you OP. Animals.

Dashel · 10/06/2022 16:27

I don’t know if this helps, but if a poster was on here saying my husband is demanding we go on holiday the day after I am due to give birth. He hasn’t acknowledged my pregnancy, I am worried he will shout at me and he doesn’t support me at all or ask how I am during my high risk pregnancy ….

Every person would be saying Leave The Bastard and rightly so. Your family are not going to change but you can change how you treat them and what you put up with.

It was obvious from your husbands posts that he loves you very much and I hope he is reading these replies and helps you find your backbone and tbh I hope he tells you mum and family to bugger off and leave you alone.

Maddiemademe · 10/06/2022 16:32

This is heartbreaking 💔 please don’t go to this so called ‘meeting’ OP. Honestly try and let your DH deal with messages for the time being. Your lovely LO’s need a happy and healthy mummy. Thinking of you 💐

greatblueheron · 10/06/2022 16:35

DWofMN · 10/06/2022 14:14

I've ordered some of the books people have recommended. With respect to therapy (and I'm going to sound stupid here) is that the same as the NHS wellbeing service or is therapy different? I feel like this is a basic thing that any adult should know but I actually have no idea what "therapy" is in practice. Should I speak to a GP about it or is it something I should find privately online?

DM has sent me a message to say she's spoken to my siblings and we're having a meeting tomorrow. I have an appointment tomorrow so I can't attend the meeting - I tried to move the appointment earlier today but I can't because they don't have any other slots this weekend (and I can't do a weekday slot because DH needs to drive me and he can't get off work). I haven't replied yet.

WHY ARE YOU STILL TRYING TO APPEASE THIS CONTROLLING TOXIC PERSON?

Seriously.

WHY?!?!

Stop trying to move things around because she snapped her fingers and announced a family meeting. YOU DON'T ANSWER TO HER! You have your own family, your your DH and your DC. They are your priority. NOT your mother. NOT your sister. NOT your brother. YOU and YOUR husband and YOUR DC are your priority.

I'd block them on everything frankly and tell them you're taking some time to rethink the relationships in your life because they're not working for you. And then follow through.

You need to set better boundary examples for your own children. DO NOT TEACH THEM TO CATER TO YOUR MOTHER. YOU are their mother. They take their lead from you and your husband.

And please follow through and get some counselling to figure out why you keep kowtowing to this woman. She clearly own cares about herself and what she wants, to everyone else's detriment.

Sepiarose · 10/06/2022 16:39

I feel you will be like a lamb to the slaughter if you go. Be prepared to be told (in whichever language she chooses) that you've got too big for your boots and that the siblings all agree. She will pull anything out of the bag to get you to submit to her. I'm so worried for you. I've been praying for you all afternoon.

focuspocus · 10/06/2022 16:41

DWofMN · 10/06/2022 14:14

I've ordered some of the books people have recommended. With respect to therapy (and I'm going to sound stupid here) is that the same as the NHS wellbeing service or is therapy different? I feel like this is a basic thing that any adult should know but I actually have no idea what "therapy" is in practice. Should I speak to a GP about it or is it something I should find privately online?

DM has sent me a message to say she's spoken to my siblings and we're having a meeting tomorrow. I have an appointment tomorrow so I can't attend the meeting - I tried to move the appointment earlier today but I can't because they don't have any other slots this weekend (and I can't do a weekday slot because DH needs to drive me and he can't get off work). I haven't replied yet.

She hasn't asked you to attend a meeting, she's told you. She says jump and you respond by asking how high? I was going to ask if this meeting was in person and where it would be but others have said she expects you to travel two hours for it in your condition. Just no. Please don't do this to yourself.

Like others have said there's no differing opinions on this thread, take that on board.

Blueuggboots · 10/06/2022 16:44

You need to reply "I won't be at the meeting, we're not coming on holiday."

Swipe left for the next trending thread