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To disagree with the 211 of our Conservative MPs who think this is all ok?

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WaitroseWoman · 08/06/2022 18:52

Some short videos for your entertainment and information, with thanks to Joe and Led By Donkeys:

You've got to fight for your right to party:
twitter.com/JOE_co_uk/status/1533873229827301387/video/1

Boos at St Paul's Jubilee Thanksgiving Service:
twitter.com/JOE_co_uk/status/1532717435488444417/video/1

Ambulances delayed or not coming at all. 170 patients in this A&E, waiting time of 7.5 - 13hrs to see a doctor:
twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1534515962099245057/video/1

Boris Johnson This Is Your Life:
twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1534059039994298368/video/1

Met police response to Partygate:
twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1532250421452017664/video/1

Partygate crime file:
twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1530155028878614530/video/1

Boris tells us to follow the rules:
twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1529491126905864195/video/1

Partygate, Line of Duty style:
twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1514486602017513472/video/1

Moving message to Boris Johnson about the response to refugees:
twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1502918495746633731/video/1

Boris and Russia, Line of Duty style:
twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1504439563019763714/video/1

It's not just Partygate and Boogate, it's Deathgate, Ambulancegate, Hospitalgate, A&Egate, Foodbankgate, Energygate, Petrolgate, Passportgate, DrivingLicencegate, CancelledHolidaygate, Refugeegate, PPEContractgate, Russiagate, IrishBordergate, Standardsgate and not forgetting Wallpapergate and many, many more. So many gates. I'm sure I've forgotten some gates. Feel free to add your own gates.

YANBU to disagree with 211 of our Conservative MPs
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YABU to disagree with 211 of our Conservative MPs

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ApplesandBunions · 09/06/2022 09:45

Kendodd · 09/06/2022 09:34

I agree.
The Tories have increased poverty which will massively affect women. Cut police and courts to such an extent they've practically made rape legal. I'm properly gender critical and I can see that the Tories are a much greater threat to the wellbeing of women than transwoman are. Plus, all the problems people are complaining about regarding encroachment into biological womens spaces have happened under the Tories.

I will give Johnson credit for curbing some of the move towards self ID that lest we forget started on the Tories watch, and there is no doubt the parties of the left mostly have a capture problem on this issue. But the Tories are not good for women overall.

Austerity fucked us over terribly, and even specifically on gender critical issues, Johnson is also trying to weaken judicial review thus blunting a vital tool for gender critical feminists and women's rights generally. We aren't talking nearly enough about that.

Peregrina · 09/06/2022 10:10

I can remember endless strikes in past Labour administrations, I can remember homework by candle light and being endlessly cold because the power workers were on strike.

I am old enough to remember studying by candlelight in the early 1970s. But this was Ted Heath's administration, which was Conservative.
It didn't affect me because I don't live in London, but weren't there Tube strikes on Monday? Under Johnson's administration.

Peregrina · 09/06/2022 10:12

The TRA and GC Issue is definitely a problem for Labour, LibDem, Green and SNP, but it is a global issue, and is probably worse in the USA.

WaitroseWoman · 09/06/2022 13:35

£100 a tank, the biggest jump in 17 years, as high as over £2 a litre - the latest news on Petrolgate:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61743734

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jgw1 · 09/06/2022 14:24

Peregrina · 09/06/2022 10:12

The TRA and GC Issue is definitely a problem for Labour, LibDem, Green and SNP, but it is a global issue, and is probably worse in the USA.

Presumably its not a problem for the Tories, because they long ago gave up pretending they cared about people, let alone women?

Peregrina · 09/06/2022 14:24

Now of course if we returned to Imperial measures at the petrol pumps, this fact would be obvious. Better scrap the Imperial idea, hey Johnson?

AmaryIlis · 09/06/2022 14:31

MintJulia · 09/06/2022 08:59

Whattheflap Your mum has as much right to her opinion as you have to yours.

She's a lot older than you Maybe her political opinions have been formed through broader experience. Certainly longer experience.
I can remember endless strikes in past Labour administrations, I can remember homework by candle light and being endlessly cold because the power workers were on strike.And rubbish mountains in the streets, and rats, because binmen were on strike.
I'm not saying she's right but people's opinions are influences by their memories.

Homework by candlelight definitely happened during a Conservative administration.

It's that old issue about people being entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts, isn't it? If people are making decisions based on the perception that Johnson is doing anything to look after them financially, or that he is reducing immigration, they are quite simply incorrect.

thetemptationofchocolate · 09/06/2022 14:35

I should like to know if my MP voted for or against Johnson, on Monday, but she will not say. I could email her (again) and ask but I expect she would just ignore it (again).

Peregrina · 09/06/2022 14:48

Imagine seeing on the forecourts
Petrol £8.12 a gallon.

itsgettingweird · 09/06/2022 16:08

What's others opinions on the rail strike?

I'm following and as a public sector working I can absolutely see why strike action is being planned. The cuts to services and pay freezes against the cost of living have grown so much the last decade.

It's all very well people getting angry and saying "go to the table". Don't they think that's what they've tried?

I think as much as I see both sides of strike action what's infuriated me is this governments solution is to make strike action illegal.

Like everything else. Don't face problems - change the rules.

L1ttledrummergirl · 09/06/2022 16:37

thetemptationofchocolate · 09/06/2022 14:35

I should like to know if my MP voted for or against Johnson, on Monday, but she will not say. I could email her (again) and ask but I expect she would just ignore it (again).

My MP is keeping quiet as well. I've decided that for me it doesn't matter. She hasn't replied to my letters and by failing to decide which side of the line her moral compass is set, or to communicate that to the people she is supposed to represent, I have no confidence in her.

itsgettingweird · 09/06/2022 16:46

I don't need to ask mine.

I have Braverman.

Her FB page says everything we need to know (as if we didn't already!) but it's very interesting that now she's getting back lash from it and generally a lot of laughing emojis.

What I'd like to know is how worried she is that the stronghold Tory area we've always been may have a turn of tide. Won't help that a very socialist Tory councillor we've had had recently retired. He was brilliant for our ward and the community.

5% rise in turnout and they lost 9% of the vote since last elections. Labour gained 10%.

ilovesooty · 09/06/2022 16:47

It's not going to be easy to get rid of him. I remember after the vote on Thatcher her Cabinet persuaded her very quickly that she needed to resign. Johnson's Cabinet won't do that as they are all pretty mediocre and without him they'd be nothing. Johnson has done that quite deliberately.

ApplesandBunions · 09/06/2022 17:15

L1ttledrummergirl · 09/06/2022 16:37

My MP is keeping quiet as well. I've decided that for me it doesn't matter. She hasn't replied to my letters and by failing to decide which side of the line her moral compass is set, or to communicate that to the people she is supposed to represent, I have no confidence in her.

That's fair enough. I wouldn't vote for any sitting MP who thought themselves above accountability in that way either. We have a right to know what our elected representatives are actually doing.

WaitroseWoman · 09/06/2022 17:28

Boris Johnson thinks that encouraging those with the lowest pay, lowest income and lowest savings into major, life-long, risky debt will help them deal with the cost of living crisis and, channelling Thatcher, that selling off more social housing stock will help solve the housing crisis.

I've heard it all now: He says "It's time to turn benefits into bricks."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61739816

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Piglet89 · 09/06/2022 17:34

Unsurprisingly a Mumsnetter caller @ilovesooty has it. Someone who loves Sooty definitely has their heart in the right place.

Anyone who supports Johnson, be it MP, Mumsnet poster or member of the public is… totally lacking in morality, decency and integrity.

How can people not see that having a PM like Johnson makes the U.K. a shit, shit country?

Sooty himself would be an infinitely better PM.

Piglet89 · 09/06/2022 17:37

“It’s time to turn benefits into bricks”. Give me STRENGTH.

Does he think “alliterative sound bites maketh the man”?

jgw1 · 09/06/2022 17:38

Piglet89 · 09/06/2022 17:37

“It’s time to turn benefits into bricks”. Give me STRENGTH.

Does he think “alliterative sound bites maketh the man”?

I would like to know what Peppa Pig built her house from and what happened when the wolf came along.

WaitroseWoman · 09/06/2022 21:38

jgw1 · 09/06/2022 17:38

I would like to know what Peppa Pig built her house from and what happened when the wolf came along.

And we all know who the Big Bad Wolf is: Big Bad Boris.

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WaitroseWoman · 09/06/2022 22:04

It doesn't sit right with me that attendees at the vigil for Sarah Everard have been actively pursued by the police and fined far more than Boris Johnson has for all the parties he attended. They were very reluctant to get involved with investigating Partygate as we all know, and a police officer even walked through one such party when it was in full swing and said and did nothing.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61744017

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Sharming · 09/06/2022 23:11

I actually think it's a good thing he won the confidence vote. What I didn't want was for them to replace him with someone half decent, and for the Tories to have a chance to rehabilitate their image in time for the next General Election.

I want the fuckers to lose, and lose badly. And I think Boris Johnson is the best man to ensure that happens.

Unless they replaced him with Liz Truss.

Peregrina · 10/06/2022 07:51

Who do you think qualifies as 'half decent'?
None of the current Cabinet, IMO.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 10/06/2022 08:01

Sharming · 09/06/2022 23:11

I actually think it's a good thing he won the confidence vote. What I didn't want was for them to replace him with someone half decent, and for the Tories to have a chance to rehabilitate their image in time for the next General Election.

I want the fuckers to lose, and lose badly. And I think Boris Johnson is the best man to ensure that happens.

Unless they replaced him with Liz Truss.

Liz Truss is at least better than Nadine Dorris or Priti Patel. God I sound misogynistic here but most of the male cabinet ministers merge into a haze of useless sychophants.

Bollindger · 10/06/2022 08:03

I think it is funny how people won't listen to the lessons of history.
During bad time people vote Tory as they don't trust Labour.
When things start to improve Labour offer massive Tax cuts and Benefit rises and get in, but right now with prices rising the Torys are the ones offering money.
So just what will Labour offer to get elected?
They should be riding high with so many problems to be solved, instead the are AWOL.

Blossomtoes · 10/06/2022 08:24

right now with prices rising the Torys are the ones offering money.

But not where it’s needed. If they had any sense of self preservation they’d make and enforce meaningful cuts in fuel duty. Every time someone fills their tank they’re reminded how dreadful this government is.