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Or is it just me thinking the narrative being pushe& by the media around Louis is wrong??

224 replies

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 05/06/2022 23:11

I know, I know. Born into a life of privelage blah, blah, blah.. But it isn't a life they ask for.

Personally I think the children in the royal family should be kept out of the spotlight until they're adults and can decide what they want to do. They should just be kids until then. Maybe with the odd photo released with granny or whatever.
I can see history repeating itself with the 'rebel prince' that his uncle went through........I cant help but wonder what the hell his parents are thinking allowing this. 😳 It didnt work out well for Harry who was used to deflect attention away from the shit his brother was getting up to for years 😬

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Grrrrdarling · 07/06/2022 18:54

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 05/06/2022 23:11

I know, I know. Born into a life of privelage blah, blah, blah.. But it isn't a life they ask for.

Personally I think the children in the royal family should be kept out of the spotlight until they're adults and can decide what they want to do. They should just be kids until then. Maybe with the odd photo released with granny or whatever.
I can see history repeating itself with the 'rebel prince' that his uncle went through........I cant help but wonder what the hell his parents are thinking allowing this. 😳 It didnt work out well for Harry who was used to deflect attention away from the shit his brother was getting up to for years 😬

Managed exposure negates the need for the media to hunt down the children for photos. That would be very unreasonable, unhealthy & unsafe.
Going to carefully managed, special events & having access to all the experiences at those events is something they are lucky to experience.
I imagine being born into The Royal Family or even just a very, very rich family is a double edged sword. All these expectations are placed on you before you are even born based on your family’s history & the achievements, or lack of achievements, of those who came before you.

Mumontour85 · 07/06/2022 18:58

lollipoprainbow · 07/06/2022 18:52

@Mumontour85 that's a bit much considering Harry lost his mum very young and she clearly adored him. Yes lucky Middleton kids won't have any of that plus they have loving grandparents on their dads side too more than a lot of children have.

So did William... he hasn't betrayed his family, country and everything he stood for! William doesn't behave as though he is the only person ever to have lost a parent at a young age.
Harry probably was let down as a kid by his family not helping him deal with the heartache, I just find the way he has behaved in the last few years utterly deplorable.

I think the RF has grown a lot and changed a lot since Diana, they learnt several very harsh lessons and I think it is obvious in the way the elders are so much more relaxed around the little ones these days that they are seriously cherished!

kazlau · 07/06/2022 19:01

Thatswhyimacat · 06/06/2022 00:40

The main one is the rumour that William also attended the infamous Nazi fancy dress party in similar costume. Also that his various drunken uni shenanigans were always covered by a Harry equivalent. And then that the vitriol against Harry and Megan is to cover for his affair.

I find most of this plausible but obviously there's no proof because of the nature of cover ups.

Affair? Have I missed this?

MsTSwift · 07/06/2022 19:08

Do abit of googling….it doesn’t get into the mainstream press

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KittyKat179 · 07/06/2022 19:45

Mumontour85 · 07/06/2022 18:58

So did William... he hasn't betrayed his family, country and everything he stood for! William doesn't behave as though he is the only person ever to have lost a parent at a young age.
Harry probably was let down as a kid by his family not helping him deal with the heartache, I just find the way he has behaved in the last few years utterly deplorable.

I think the RF has grown a lot and changed a lot since Diana, they learnt several very harsh lessons and I think it is obvious in the way the elders are so much more relaxed around the little ones these days that they are seriously cherished!

How did he betray his country? Wtf this is literally insane. How do you know what he stood for have you met him?

MyLifeJourney · 07/06/2022 21:25

I agree the children should not be in the limelight.
Just wondered what ‘shit’ William got up to in his youth.

Blossomtoes · 07/06/2022 21:32

MyLifeJourney · 07/06/2022 21:25

I agree the children should not be in the limelight.
Just wondered what ‘shit’ William got up to in his youth.

They need to get used to it. Added to which, there will never be another event like this jubilee, why shouldn’t they participate and enjoy it? There would have been criticism if they hadn’t been included.

wentworthinmate · 07/06/2022 21:58

PinkScrunchie · 05/06/2022 23:35

There’s having personality and there's being rude. I would never have allowed my 4 year old to cover mouth and would have moved their hand away quickly and told them off whether there were cameras or not. We’ve all been there with cheekiness, children can have personality without being rude.

Everyone parents differently though, I personally wouldn’t have allowed that.

She did move his hand away quickly. Did you want it slapped away?? She played it perfectly whilst under worldwide scrutiny.

Dinoteeth · 07/06/2022 22:37

Blossomtoes · 07/06/2022 21:32

They need to get used to it. Added to which, there will never be another event like this jubilee, why shouldn’t they participate and enjoy it? There would have been criticism if they hadn’t been included.

I agree the Cambridges need to get used to be in the Limelight no point in waiting for them to get older and nervous. Start while they are small and nerve free.

The next really big Royal event is likely to be a Coronation which they will be expected to attend.

Blossomtoes · 07/06/2022 22:53

Dinoteeth · 07/06/2022 22:37

I agree the Cambridges need to get used to be in the Limelight no point in waiting for them to get older and nervous. Start while they are small and nerve free.

The next really big Royal event is likely to be a Coronation which they will be expected to attend.

There will be a State funeral first. I’m dreading it, it’s going to be awful.

Dinoteeth · 07/06/2022 23:25

Well yes that too, but I think the kids will have a very small part in that, if they are there at all.
I think Edwards kids were the youngest at Philips and they weren't walking behind the coffin or anything.

Leontine · 08/06/2022 02:08

Tbh all I could think about was how Harry and Meghan would be crucified by the press if it was Archie.

kateandme · 08/06/2022 02:49

Leontine · 08/06/2022 02:08

Tbh all I could think about was how Harry and Meghan would be crucified by the press if it was Archie.

Yes yes yes this.can you imagine the headlines if Meghan was in Kate's shoes.theys be horrific to her.

Foggydayz · 08/06/2022 06:52

I voted unreasonable
because you said media

It isn't the media
it is the great british public who are fighting over the child and the parents response. I have seen lots of busybodies saying how awfully he behaved and how she coped. I don't understand how they think they are superior. Maybe their anti monarchy ideology makes them blind to humanity.

The press have been positive overall and many have celebrated the humanity

The press dont see to have been overly intrusive either

lollipoprainbow · 08/06/2022 07:00

So did William... he hasn't betrayed his family, country and everything he stood for! William doesn't behave as though he is the only person ever to have lost a parent at a young age.
Harry probably was let down as a kid by his family not helping him deal with the heartache, I just find the way he has behaved in the last few years utterly deplorable.

William was incredibly lucky to find Kate and be welcomed into her family like a son. Harry clearly has a lot of heartache still, so I can forgive his behaviour.

LaDamaDeElche · 08/06/2022 07:42

I agree with you. I’ve seen some vile comments calling him a brat and questioning Kate’s parenting. They are doing montages of his behaviour in sone news outlets and they would be very naive if they think this won’t attract hateful comments. He was a four year old forced to attend days of events that weren’t age appropriate with cameras in his face recording his every reaction. It’s no wonder he had a few moments. Any child that age would in the same situation.

user1468761869 · 08/06/2022 12:56

Absolutely spot on. Children should be allowed to live out their childhood with privacy. It is wrong and immoral that fully grown adults gossip about children and that newspapers print incessant rubbish on their every facial expression. At least the Queen's generation was able to have some semblance of privacy but for poor Louis these images will be a permanent record on the internet. He is barely 4! Harry and Meghan are so right to choose privacy for their children. Every child deserves privacy no matter who they are born to.

Blossomtoes · 08/06/2022 13:06

You haven’t seen all the footage of the Queen and Princess Margaret then @user1468761869? Royal children have never been afforded total privacy, it’s part of the deal. The Cambridges are navigating this brilliantly.

Fink · 08/06/2022 15:15

Dinoteeth · 07/06/2022 23:25

Well yes that too, but I think the kids will have a very small part in that, if they are there at all.
I think Edwards kids were the youngest at Philips and they weren't walking behind the coffin or anything.

But that was at a time when there were restrictions on the numbers of people allowed at funerals. For a full state funeral, I'd expect the whole family to be there, especially since it would presumably be for the head of the church to which they all belong (I think Margaret is already dead, isn't she? So the Queen is the only one left of that generation? I don't take much interest in it so I might be wrong). I doubt they'd play a big role, given the amount of other people who would have to be included, but at our church even young children often 'read' a bidding prayer at a family funeral (sometimes memorised if they're too young to read).

Dinoteeth · 08/06/2022 16:00

If they'd wanted the kids at Philips funeral they'd have had them there standing with the Wessex children even if they didn't go into the Church. The children will have a very small role at the funeral. If they are there at all.
Whilst the Queens sister is dead she still has her cousins, Gloucesters, Kents and Princess A??? Can't quite remember her name Alice / Alexandra or something.
Plus the many dignitaries who will attend.

ChristinaXYZ · 08/06/2022 16:21

Thatswhyimacat · 05/06/2022 23:26

All I've seen is mums posting memes along the lines of 'thank god Duchess Perfect gets it too'. It's been incredibly good for their image.

I think without the parasocial press relationship and tragic death of his mother, Harry might have grown up to quite enjoy his role as the fun brother. I certainly don't envy George or William, although William does seem to have turned out pretty well, which I actually put down to Charles who I believe to be fundamentally a nice chap.

I agree with this entirely. Charles, William and Kate seem fundamentally nice and grounded considering the reasons they have not to be grounded. They take their duties seriously and they take their parenting seriously. They seem to both protect their children but also strive for some normality. A bit 1950s - baking cakes and building dens - but that's the kind of security you need when someone might take a potshot at you someday. They need to get used to the crowds and taking them out about must be a necessary part of their growing up. Hopefully with a more stable home life Louis will be less trouble than Harry.

JustLyra · 08/06/2022 16:37

Dinoteeth · 08/06/2022 16:00

If they'd wanted the kids at Philips funeral they'd have had them there standing with the Wessex children even if they didn't go into the Church. The children will have a very small role at the funeral. If they are there at all.
Whilst the Queens sister is dead she still has her cousins, Gloucesters, Kents and Princess A??? Can't quite remember her name Alice / Alexandra or something.
Plus the many dignitaries who will attend.

Princess Alexandra.

Depending on when it is the children will likely attend imo, especially George and Charlotte.

Beatrice and Eugenie were young when they attended Diana’s funeral.

Mirw · 08/06/2022 17:36

It was great grannie's big day. There is no way they wouldn't be included... They are not a normal family and won't ge until the UK is a Republic. Then they will be expected to get jobs and behave like all other citizens. Until then the kids will be seen in public in suits and ties and making faces at their mother!

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