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Husbands Burial Plot

311 replies

Bellysmackers · 05/06/2022 20:13

My first husband died in 2004. It was a very tragic accident whilst we were living overseas and we were both in our late 20s. His family never really bothered with me much afterwards. Never visited me etc. I always felt like they resented me for being the one who survived. Fast forward 10 years later I came home to find a gift on my doorstep from them that just said 'sorry' on it. A bit too little too late for me. I text pleasantries etc from time to time, but we had little contact. Then suddenly out of the blue recently, one family member got in touch via text being friendly, asking how I was etc. I fell for it (like an idiot), thinking there was genuine care there. BUT- she followed it with asking if I would consider signing over the ownership of my husbands grave to them as it would mean a lot and they feel this is the right thing to do as his immediate family. I have literally never even heard of this and would never consider it anyway ( and told her so) but can anybody think why they would want this? Has anyone heard of this before? And AIBU to say no??

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Bellysmackers · 06/06/2022 18:57

Agreed 👍

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Bellysmackers · 06/06/2022 19:00

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Wow!

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otherbookmarks · 06/06/2022 19:33

I'm appalled at the number of posters telling you that your relationship didn't count, especially those who have absolutely no experience of losing a husband. How dare they! In your shoes I would just say no, I'm not handing the deeds to the plot over but if you want ashes burying I'll accommodate. Some of the posters on your thread are as rude as your former in-laws. Don't give any of them headspace.

Bellysmackers · 06/06/2022 19:45

otherbookmarks · 06/06/2022 19:33

I'm appalled at the number of posters telling you that your relationship didn't count, especially those who have absolutely no experience of losing a husband. How dare they! In your shoes I would just say no, I'm not handing the deeds to the plot over but if you want ashes burying I'll accommodate. Some of the posters on your thread are as rude as your former in-laws. Don't give any of them headspace.

Thankyou. Some do seem quite blunt and cold. It's a very complex situation both emotionally and morally. He was my husband, but to some on here, it's almost as though unless you were married for 40 us years it just doesn't count at all 😞

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Rosscameasdoody · 06/06/2022 19:49

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What a truly dreadful thing to say to anyone, let alone a widow. You have just deliberately trashed a significant part of the OP’s life as insignificant. It may have been short, but that was down to circumstance and tragedy - who are you to say how much it should or should matter to the OP or anyone else. I’m a widow and when I remarried after losing my husband five years ago I experienced the same kind of vitriol evident on this thread. And that’s all it is - vitriol. Somehow, because you remarry, you’re not entitled to lingering feelings of grief at the loss of your life love. What a load of crap.

danny735 · 06/06/2022 20:05

I think you should really try to imagine what your late husband would have wanted and act accordingly.

If it were me, I would sign the plot over to his family.

Overthewine · 06/06/2022 20:13

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nicerucksack · 06/06/2022 20:26

@Overthewine I'm appalled that you've come back to repeat yourself. Your other post was considered so offensive it was deleted. The OP is a real person with feelings and your views are cruel in the extreme. Sometimes it's better to keep your opinions to yourself and this is one such time.

@Bellysmackers I'm sorry you're having to read this kind of thing. I wish you all the best with this difficult situation Flowers

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 06/06/2022 20:30

I stand by what I say.

That is often said just before or after "I am only being honest" or "I just say it as I see it" The preserve of the Social Giraffe, all ungainly parading but ready to use long legs to kick out and long neck to ensure wide coverage!

Tandora · 06/06/2022 20:32

I don’t see how they’ve been underhand though? They’ve asked you for the ownership of his grave- maybe they don’t know what they want to do with it yet, but just wanting it is understandable.
im sorry for what you have been through and how you were treated, but this is such a common story with young widows/ widowers.
Grief does mad things to people and makes them behave in terrible ways. They did try to say sorry.
At the end of the day, what happened to you was heartbreaking. But you have moved on and remarried with kids- a new family . His parents will never move on. Who will have the rights to the grave when you die? It is right that it should remain in his family.
please try to rise above your pain and hurt and see the bigger picture. You are a parent too now and can begin to imagine the pain of losing a child 💐

Rosscameasdoody · 06/06/2022 20:32

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Can I ask whether you have ever been widowed ?

MinnieGirl · 06/06/2022 20:55

He chose you…. He didn’t choose his family.
Their behaviour sounds absolutely appalling.
Do they really think you would hand over your darling husbands grave to them?

I would contact the cemetery and make sure they are aware that only you have authority over the grave.
I would also tell the family very politely that your husband would be heartbroken by their nasty behaviour and not to contact you again.

TripleSeptic · 06/06/2022 21:16

YANBU I would be tempted to say that when they left you with so few of his personal effects, the funeral and the grave that you paid was the only physical testament that you had to mark your marriage, that it means more than a patch of earth and a piece of paper. It would be generous of you to allow them to be interred there. Their first thought 18 years ago was to loot your home, rather than put their arms around you as his widow. I know what my husband would have me do in this situation. What would your husband have said?

neonjumper · 06/06/2022 21:43

I work in grief support in a client facing role and @Overthewine remark is totally devoid of any empathy and incredibly shocking, a view that lacks any understanding about the process of grief . It is an incredibly ill informed , callous remark that can only be designed to cause great harm .

Op I would suggest that you might want to access support from a grief and bereavement agency that can support you in the dilemma this request has brought up for you . A place where you can explore this in a non judgmental place .

ivykaty44 · 06/06/2022 21:48

I wonder if they want ashes buried with your husband or change the head stone

thise are two things that could be done only if they owned the plot

Lizzieismagic · 06/06/2022 21:51

Imo ignore the messages. Especially since they didn't contribute to the funeral or give you his belongings. I am inclined to believe as someone posted they intend to change his headstone and omit you.

ivykaty44 · 06/06/2022 21:59

Overthewine

ive been on mn getting on 18 years now and I’ve seen some nasty comments, but yours sadly surpasses any previous nastiness 😢

ElegantlyTouched · 06/06/2022 22:03

If you sign it over you will regret it. He was your husband, you still have love for him, you chose each other. He is yours.

JenniferBarkley · 06/06/2022 23:09

I can only assume that @Overthewine has never lost anyone tragically young.

I've been with my husband since we were 18. We're both still alive but the idea that you would have written that relationship off if one of us had died young is repugnant. My best friend died at 23, I can assure you that 13 years on my love for her is unchanged, even though I am of course and even though I have other friends I love dearly.

Love and grief are not finite.

Willyoujustbequiet · 06/06/2022 23:50

I'd sign it over. You've moved on. It's not possible for them to. He was their child. Spouses come and go, children don't.

WildCoasts · 07/06/2022 00:04

I've been married 30+ years and am in my late 40s. If my husband had died in his 20s, there would always (forever) be this wondering about what might have been in our future, the children we might have had but didn't, how our lives would have unfolded. Just a few years of marriage don't make it less. Remarriage wouldn't change that. I imagine it is bittersweet to remarry, yet you need to move on and keep living.

One of the most hurtful things my ILs said to me after about 7 years of marriage (and three children) is that they were closer family than me and I came second. It's not the sort of thing you forget.

Op's experience of her first marriage and loss is hers, as is how she feels about it going forward. It can't be measured by someone else's judgement on the length of marriage and what that means in their mind.

Mummyoftwoo · 07/06/2022 00:16

That’s excessive!!!

OP, please don’t read into those people who tell you to ignore his family. That’s hurtful, they weren’t nice but not horrible enough not to give them the one piece left of their son. We are all mothers here and I can’t imagine ANYTHING worse then this happening to any of us.

Long story - my parents are originally from Iraq and during the war my 16 year old uncle and his whole class were taken by the army as Saddam Hussein was going through his routine human cleansing after the intifada threatened his regime. My mother and her siblings were all in their 20s so he was the youngest. Very ambitious young man and would go out of his way to take care of my pregnant mother while my dad was out seeking refuge to get my mother out.

When the news broke out that they were taken to a different city to all be shot alive and buried in mass graves my grandmother officially lost her life as my mum would describe it, ‘that’s the day I lost my youngest brother AND my mother’. Grief does unimaginable things, no one should bury their child. My grandmother locked herself in her room for 7 years, every day my mother would hear her whimpering, her loud wails still haunts my mother. It seems the heartbreak they saw their mother in has been more memorable to them as they now understand the pain after becoming parents themselves.

My grandmother eventually left her room after a fortune teller came to see her with the news that she believed my uncle was alive (though no remains nor ID were ever found there is no way he is still alive). She of course hang on to that hope but unfortunately she never was the mother they once knew. She turned into an angry women, very short tempered, extremely independent about everything and started blaming my grandfather for what had happened. Whenever she brings up her lost son she laughs loudly and starts day dreaming about how he will come and surprise her with flowers one day with his own wife and kids.

Please don’t take this as me making excuses for your husbands mother, however please forgive her for her shortcomings. Speak to her and ask her why she wants ownership and communicate to her that you didn’t appreciate the comment on immediate family. Tell her you were and still are extremely upset with the lack of support you got from them. The reason I mentioned my mothers story is because her own mother failed to provide her kids with the support they needed when she went through grief of losing a child. It is unimaginable and no one knows how they will react in a situation like this. We can talk and give our opinion however it means nothing as we could never understand such a pain. Just the thought of it makes me teary.

Though you will always remember and love your first husband remember the sacrifices we all make for our children and how much they mean to us. They are our backbone and that is literally where they grew to become the humans we birthed. This is what I personally would do especially since you had no children with him meaning you will have your own place of rest while your first husband can be joined by his remaining family.

Mummyoftwoo · 07/06/2022 00:17

Sorry when I said excessive I meant to reply to someone else post.. oopsy

Tandora · 07/06/2022 04:15

Mummyoftwoo · 07/06/2022 00:16

That’s excessive!!!

OP, please don’t read into those people who tell you to ignore his family. That’s hurtful, they weren’t nice but not horrible enough not to give them the one piece left of their son. We are all mothers here and I can’t imagine ANYTHING worse then this happening to any of us.

Long story - my parents are originally from Iraq and during the war my 16 year old uncle and his whole class were taken by the army as Saddam Hussein was going through his routine human cleansing after the intifada threatened his regime. My mother and her siblings were all in their 20s so he was the youngest. Very ambitious young man and would go out of his way to take care of my pregnant mother while my dad was out seeking refuge to get my mother out.

When the news broke out that they were taken to a different city to all be shot alive and buried in mass graves my grandmother officially lost her life as my mum would describe it, ‘that’s the day I lost my youngest brother AND my mother’. Grief does unimaginable things, no one should bury their child. My grandmother locked herself in her room for 7 years, every day my mother would hear her whimpering, her loud wails still haunts my mother. It seems the heartbreak they saw their mother in has been more memorable to them as they now understand the pain after becoming parents themselves.

My grandmother eventually left her room after a fortune teller came to see her with the news that she believed my uncle was alive (though no remains nor ID were ever found there is no way he is still alive). She of course hang on to that hope but unfortunately she never was the mother they once knew. She turned into an angry women, very short tempered, extremely independent about everything and started blaming my grandfather for what had happened. Whenever she brings up her lost son she laughs loudly and starts day dreaming about how he will come and surprise her with flowers one day with his own wife and kids.

Please don’t take this as me making excuses for your husbands mother, however please forgive her for her shortcomings. Speak to her and ask her why she wants ownership and communicate to her that you didn’t appreciate the comment on immediate family. Tell her you were and still are extremely upset with the lack of support you got from them. The reason I mentioned my mothers story is because her own mother failed to provide her kids with the support they needed when she went through grief of losing a child. It is unimaginable and no one knows how they will react in a situation like this. We can talk and give our opinion however it means nothing as we could never understand such a pain. Just the thought of it makes me teary.

Though you will always remember and love your first husband remember the sacrifices we all make for our children and how much they mean to us. They are our backbone and that is literally where they grew to become the humans we birthed. This is what I personally would do especially since you had no children with him meaning you will have your own place of rest while your first husband can be joined by his remaining family.

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

VirginiaWr · 07/06/2022 05:48

It seems very heartless to not give the parents the plot. They raised him, and it cannot be fair that connection by marriage can take that from them. How they treated OP was poor, but that is not a good enough reason to withhold this from them. Parental love is very different from spousal.

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