To think my sister should get a refund?

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So my Sister did a PGCE last year, she failed her second placement and had to undertake and additional placement the following Autumn which she also failed. Therefore a lot a money was spent on a qualification which she did not receive. Who decides to complete a PGCE and not receive a teaching qualification in the end. Just so you know my sister worked very hard and has ASD and Dyspraxia, she isn't lazy as some people might think she is due to her not passing.

AIBU to think DS sister should get given a refund, maybe not the whole amount as she did pass her uni assignments so she got awarded a PGCE but without QTS. But seriously, a PGCE with no QTS? You have to be honest it is a pointless award which no one will take seriously, in other words its worthless.

OP, who is very likely the one who didn't get the QTS, seems to have flounced.

No sorry I don’t think she should get a refund unless there’s any other mitigating circumstances you’ve left out

This is a ridiculous thread.

YABU… she failed, simple as

This is the maddest thread I've read in ages - of course you don't get a refund if you fail a course!

This is a great idea OP. Thanks!
I'll remember that next time I pay for a course that I fail I will make sure to ask!

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You don't buy a PGCE! You can't take it back to the shop! You work for it.
This has to be a wind up.

YABU, sorry.

I think that's a given, sadly.

I've had to fail someone from a PGCE. It was preceded by months of intensive support trying to get them up to the right standards and multiple meetings setting specific targets to improve.

It costs the uni more to support a failing be student.

Lol, whit??? Your 'sister' YOU failed. Don't get a refund for that.

No, you don’t get refunded for failing a course. Otherwise I would be claiming refunds for all my failed driving tests 🤪

This is a shocking suggestion.

If universities had to give refunds to failing students, staff might come under pressure to pass as many students as possible for purely financial reasons. This would undermine the value of a university qualification and make a mockery of the hard work put in by the other students.

Same here.
The ones who fail take up way more time than the ones who pass

eh are you stupid

This thread is totally bonkers. Of course she shouldn’t get a refund. She had extra support with the additional so she’s technically received even more than she paid for.

She paid for the tuition. They cannot give her the full qualification, if they feel that she doesn't make their standard. Otherwise they'd be passing poor teachers, which affect the students. I did a language/interpreting degree. Some failed the degree. We were told at the beginning that they would not pass those who were below their standard, because it affects people. For example poor interpreting of an asylum seeker/suspect at the police station/Court can have dire consequences. Many students fail the medical degree too.

YABVU.
Paying to do a course means just that. It doesn't mean you hand over money and get back a piece of paper saying 'Pass'. You are paying for the teaching, the lectures, the tutoring, the seat in the class. If you fail a part of that course (despite being given two chances to redo the placement) YOU fail. Whining about getting a refund shows a complete lack of understanding that the student, even if they are paying, has a responsibility to do their bit and pass the various modules, exams and placements. The university is providing a service. Not a fucking guarantee that you will come out clutching a degree. The student is also responsible for learning and proving their ability. Otherwise you might as well have universities simply handing over a degree on recieving the fees. No tuition, no practicals, no fucking effort on the part of the student. How fucking entitled can you get?

I don't think I'd want this 'sister' teaching my kids frankly.

I really hope this post is a joke. None of the 'adjustments' you have suggested would benefit the children, and most would cost the school money/be unfair to other staff. You are basically suggesting someone should be allowed to solely teach 'easy' classes because they are not competent enough for other classes, plus be given regular breaks and extra help from TA's - would you be happy for this member of staff to also be paid less than other teachers, to reflect the fact they are ultimately doing a less skilled / easier job?? Surely the more reasonable adjustment would be for them to perhaps become a TA, rather than a teacher?

But none of these is doing the "ordinary" day to day work of the classroom teacher.

Exactly. Most TAs' role in school is to assist students and they are few and far between, with many children not getting the support they really need. To assign a TA to a teacher might well reduce help students get elsewhere in the school. Moreover, to assign only the " good" classes to one individual teacher will really not help them to be accepted by their colleagues.

OP my DD who also has dyspraxia and is dyslexic has also not passed her PGCE and has been asked to do an extension next spring. I feel there is something about a lack of support for students with learning disabilities on PGCE courses. Did your sister attend the best teacher training university in central London by any chance?

Having a learning disability is, sadly, incompatible with teaching. I honestly don't understand how someone can be supported throughout their teaching career to the degree that some families of these students expect them to be.

If there's a problem somewhere, it's that people are being encouraged to enroll on courses to qualify them for careers that they are not suited to. And that some uni staff are not letting them know early enough, that they are wasting their money.

What does dyspraxia got to do with it? Or and for that matter.

She failed. Such is life. No refund