To think my sister should get a refund?

[dinglisert]

So my Sister did a PGCE last year, she failed her second placement and had to undertake and additional placement the following Autumn which she also failed. Therefore a lot a money was spent on a qualification which she did not receive. Who decides to complete a PGCE and not receive a teaching qualification in the end. Just so you know my sister worked very hard and has ASD and Dyspraxia, she isn't lazy as some people might think she is due to her not passing.

AIBU to think DS sister should get given a refund, maybe not the whole amount as she did pass her uni assignments so she got awarded a PGCE but without QTS. But seriously, a PGCE with no QTS? You have to be honest it is a pointless award which no one will take seriously, in other words its worthless.

On the professional diploma course I took if you passed all the assignments but failed the fitness to practice twice you failed. You didn't get a refund.

If you fail any university degree you do not get a refund, this is no different

Did she have reasonable adjustments in place with the University due to her learning difficulties? If not, she has grounds for an appeal based on Extenuating Circumstances Not Previously Advised and this means she might get another attempt at this assessment component.

Otherwise, it looks like her future employment lies elsewhere unfortunately.

No, she shouldn't get a refund, she wasn't buying a product.
Thankfully the qualification is only awarded to those who pass the course, ie those who have the real life capabilities to do so

It’s disappointing for sure and I feel for her as I’m sure she put in a lot of hard work. Sadly your logic is flawed here. Money wasn’t spent on a qualification she didn’t receive it was spent on training that she didn’t pass. I’m not sure what options there are for her now with what she has achieved so far but hopefully she can get guidance on how best to find a more suitable career if teaching isn’t the right fit for her.

She got what she paid for which is the tuition, so what will be the grounds for a refund? It’s a shame she didn’t pass but that’s not on the course provided.

No, I don't think she should be refunded, however I would be interested to know what the criteria for her getting accepted for the course was. As a teacher myself, I encountered lots of people on my training course that were doing so for all the wrong reasons: the holidays, percieved easy option, didn't know what else to do etc. Thankfully, most of them dropped out before completion.

I would hope that she had demonstrable work experience from volunteering in more than one school, a detailed understanding of the demands of the job and the temperament to deal with such demands. If she was accepted without this sort of screening, then I do think that the training provider is probably behaving somewhat immorally.

She failed, twice.

You don't get a refund if you fail your driving test, why should she get a refund?

This is about understanding the difference between paying for the course and paying for the qualification.

If she didn't pass there is a very good reason why. Degrees are not guaranteed. Believe me when I say, that if a uni or school fails a
student teacher then it is for good reason. If she keeps failing then is she going to make it as a teacher in the world of work?

No, no refund as unfortunately your dsis failed the course.

I am doing my QTS at the mo- no she shouldn't get a refund for failing but is she sure that allowances (if that is the right word) were made for her SEN?

There would be little point having assessments or exams if everyone passed. There are quite a lot of poor teachers at the moment as it is, we don't need any more.

A friend of mine agreed to do a NVQ Level 6 as part of his employment contract. He was told that if he didn't complete it/failed it or left before completing it he'd owe his employer £2K.

He left that employment after nearly two years without having completed even one unit of it. Sure enough, his employers subtracted £2K from his final pay. Nothing he could do about it.

Taking a course doesn't guarantee you an outcome. I'm dyslexic with significant sensory difficulties, etc , i didn't pay for my degree, that part i earned, what i paid for was the teaching and guidance.

Your poor sister must feel so deflated, if this is an avenue she still wants to pursue it might be worth looking at other ways around the difficulty.

FFS I typed out a long reply and it’s deleted.

I’ve had to fail students as a nurse. We have to sometimes as they aren’t safe or competent. Maybe she’s not cut out to be a teacher.

We have to put action plans in place and the student has to take this on board and improve else they will fail. It does feel like the university gives them a lot of chances to pass.

Did they know about her asd and dyspraxia? That shouldn’t be a reason for her to fail. Reasonable adjustments should have been put in place. But no she shouldn’t get a refund.

Of course not. Unfortunately she failed.

i wonder if the fact that you as her sister think she should have a refund, suggests she comes from a background that is somewhat detached from the real world.
that will make for a steep learning curve.
not everyone can be a teacher.
they can't take everyone who would like to be one, even if they work hard, but are unable to fulfil the role.

Loads of people fail or drop out of university for whatever reason. Some because they didn't study, but plenty because of factors beyond their control. If they give a refund to everyone who fails because of factors out of their control, the universities would go bust. Its not their fault she failed, either.

I'm completely lost as to why you'd honestly believe she should be refunded? She sat the course, she failed the course. Should all educational institutions refund students who don't pass? What about driving lessons? Should they get the next test for for free? Should their instructor refund them for all their lessons because they didn't pass?

Give your head a wobble OP.

Her tutors still had to be paid though. Sorry yabu.

This has to be a joke.

There is going to be a generation of people who are largely like the OP's sister, with no accountability and a sense of entitlement. What is with the increasing expectation from people that their self-created issues are always someone else's responsibility?

@glamourousindierockandroll some PGCE courses accept basically anyone because they are so short of trainees for certain subjects.

You don't pay for a qualification.
You pay for the opportunity to gain a qualification if your work meets the standard required.
I don't think she's entitled to a refund.