Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

I can't imagine a child being upset because she happens to be washing her hands next to a man?

It's nowhere near the same as having to walk past a string of men taking a piss.

And what about the safety and comfort of other unaccompanied young girls who don’t need help, but come out faced with a grown man just standing there.

How’s that ok?

I just hadn’t seen it until now.
Well it’s not that “men can be in there” but other dads with young girls. I know they have been perfectly fine with it as they understand how a parent, sometimes the dad, needs to go in with young girls to help them. Especially since we have taught them about the existence of single fathers and same sex parents.

I too am irritated by this "well what else can he do?" attitude. Unless places are criticised about their (lack of) amenities, women's spaces will continue to be invaded because nobody seems able to hold men to account.

When my 2 boys were growing up and wanted to go swimming, either they went to the mens changing room with a male relative/friend, or if they came with me I had to find a place with cubicles or family changing rooms - or they didn't go - until they were old enough to go in by themselves.

This was 30 years ago and I was a lot younger and less savvy, so it never occurred to me to complain about the lack of facilities. I would now.

Why are the partners of so many MNers danging their daughters over the top of urinals?

AFAIK no they wouldn't but many places have an age limit for when they must use the correct space. Around 8-10

Why not? My dh always did with dd. It is entirely possible to get the children to look over there.

I was asked by a man to take his little girl to the toilet once, as he didn’t want to come into the ladies. She was only about 3-4. I felt like I must look like a nice lady to be given the responsibility! But, surely it’s a risk to ask a stranger!

And if a man’s cleaning a women’s loo? It’s a pretty common occurrence these days. There are women’s spaces where men shouldn’t be - refuges, changing rooms and prisons immediately spring to mind - but a row of cubicles with lockable doors? No, can’t get upset about it.

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Ffs - he was clearly just looking after his daughters.

The list of reasons why men are allowed to invade women's single sex spaces is growing longer and longer in this thread.

Young children would generally use the toilet of the sex of the adult who is accompanying them. I thought this was standard.

If not all men are paedophiles then why are they not fine in the men's? Hysterical much?

Thank god we have laws in place then eh.

What law are you referring to regarding the toilets?

Oh it is men can be in here, because he is being ‘allowed’ in by some women despite other women clearly not liking it, and by them also legally being allowed to have a male free space.

No caveats ever.

Get better spaces for single dads out with small children, but women’s spaces should not be eroded to accommodate this.

Look at the chap earlier who used them because they are nicer with his son.

he and his male entitlement can fuck right off.

At 6 years old, surely the eldest girl goes to the toilets at school on her own - not needing a teacher to stand wait at the sinks for her - so why couldn't the 6 year old and 4 year old (who also probably goes to her school toilet alone) have gone in and he waited outside the toilets room door?

but other dads with young girls.
And older brothers with sisters.
And Uncles with nieces.
And Mums boyfriend.
And grandad.
And...

Then there are signs indicating this so as to not traumatise traumatised women and scare girls, who are alone.

But waiting outside only works if the little girl is comfortable/capable of getting cleaned up and dressed on her own. Not all 4yos are capable of that.

To be honest I can't see the problem with taking an under 7 into the toilets, or swimming pool changing room, as appropriate of the sex of the parent. Which is exactly what my DDad did when I was a youngster in the early 70's.

As for the poster who moaned about the state of the men's toilets, really, give the toilet seat a quick clean/wipe or perhaps be vocal about other men being unhygienic and peeing all over the seat!

My DDad managed as a single parent decade's ago so I'm sure other Dad's can too.

People like you are the problem…

Single-sex spaces.

If it’s designated ladies by the venue, he can’t go in there.

If it’s gender neutral, then he can.

Simple.

Thanks @Soapboxqueen. Considering I now know it is against the law then no, the man shouldn't have been in the female toilets. I suppose he could have taken his daughters into the male toilets and covered their eyes if necessary until they reached a cubicle.