Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

I agree. I’d rather he was in the women’s loo than his daughters were in the men’s.

You can agree all you like.
Bur in the UK you are agreeing men can break the law; not really down to us to allow or not allow is it.

Laws are in place to stop this.

You would be outraged with me then! I am a man and I often take my little boy to the girls toilet.

Yes I would - the state of men's toilets is not my problem to solve.

You'd be outraged with me, I had to run into the men's toilets the other day to retrieve my runaway son and I'm a woman.

Not particularly - some men might feel outraged (but probably not frightened or threatened) but that's their battle, I'm not going to fight it for them.

Never too early to start teaching him about male entitlement is it.

Other women’s rights are not yours to give away. Calling other women’s trauma hysterical says an awful lot about your lack of empathy, and the fact that you clearly don’t care about the needs of women from different religious and cultural backgrounds is also very telling.

I'd like to see you challenge this further. No one is going to stop this man if he is there to safeguard his daughters. I think that comes before any grown woman.

Just asked my DH and he said that usually the urinals are on the back wall and you can't really see anything and they have little sections between them that give a bit of modesty.

@Quincythequince where is the man expected to change the nappy where the only baby changing station is in the ladies?

Err, no, you can’t.

Unless you’re stood right next to them, peeing standing up and looking at their dick, you can’t.

Unless of course you have a pervert putting it on display, entirely different problem, and once again, not one for women to have to solve.

That's a good idea.

I would have been like the OP - very uncomfortable with a man in the women's toilets, but I can see his dilemma. I wouldn't want anyone's young daughters to have to walk past urinals.

I so agree with this. Why is the default always to use a woman's safe space? It always is and it absolutely shouldn't be. I'm disheartened - but not at all surprised - by the female posters defending this behaviour though, it's pathetic. In response to them - it's up to dad to find a solution that doesn't trample on women's safety. Anybody with a functioning brain cell knows that allowing 'just this once' is the thin end of the wedge and weakens the work that so many women have done to protect the rights of ALL women, even the 'not my Nigel' crew.

Bebbanburg your post shows how entitled you think you are as a man and you have zero consideration for women if you think that this was in any way acceptable. Men's toilets are disgusting? Fine - take it up with men, take it up with the facilities manager, write to your MP, your remedies are myriad. Don't go into women's toilets; that is NOT an option for you.

Ok, so what if the 4 and 6 year old felt intimated? What then? What's the answer? They may feel intimidated in the mens toilets as well?

This is correct.

I don’t know.
Ask the staff.

But his parenting need to change a nappy Does not trumpet the existence of SSS.

Ever.

We clearly need a better infrastructure to manage this as more men nowadays changes nappies, but losing our SSS to accommodate this is not on.

Build on in the mens.

How comfortable do you think your DD will be in a couple of years time when she's going in on her own and men can be in there?
Isnt that the same?

He was protecting his daughters from seeing men urinating, which happens out in the open in the men’s room rather than in a private stall.

He wasn’t there to get a kick or make anyone uncomfortable. You could have waited outside the door for him to leave if it bothered you. McDonald’s doesn’t usually have more than 2-3 stalls anyway.

Nobody is responding to this scenario, which has been present multiple times.

It’s very telling.

@Quincythequince Is the law only applicable to adults? Reason I ask is because would a female child be breaking the law by using the mens toilets with their dad for example?

Young girls accompanied by their dad do not have “more rights”. They have the same rights because this way both the young girls and women get a nice safe cubicle to piss in.

If we were to bar these girls from the toilet (and they can only go with their dad), then it’s the women who would have more rights because they’d get a nice safe cubicle to piss in plus no chance of feeling a bit uncomfortable, whereas these two girls would have no safe place to piss in and be left to piss themselves and suffer the resultant humiliation.

You what? I'm talking to the bloke I quoted who takes his SON into the women's because he thinks the men's toilets are too dirty.

We don't actually know their ages do we?

Many times I had to change nappies in the pram or on my knee.

Amen. Women, know your place, which is that your space isn't your space but one in which men have carte blanche to demand that you put up, shut up, budge up, and suck it up.

Traumatised? Too fucking bad.

They can say what they like but local policy does not trump the law.

While I don't agree with people using accessible toilets for reasons other than access reasons, if there is no other option a male can take a child to one of those.

It baffles me that an organisation could think safeguarding for one group of children should be flushed down the toilet in favour of another.

He should have waited outside… Suggesting little girls should see men with their willies out while standing at urinals is not okay though.