Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

I know this isn't the main topic of the thread but I have never ever seen a woman washing her period knickers in the sink and would find it disgusting if I did see it. I've never heard or known anyone to do that.

But the bigger picture in this scenario is that a man was helping his child to toilet, to leave them unsupervised would put them in a vulnerable position and become a safeguarding issue.

Surely you are not so blinded by the thin edge of the wedge you cannot see that a little girl needed her caregiver, who is unfortunately a male, in that moment?

I take it you're a male or have never had a period? It's what womens sinks in womens toilets are there for!

Well, it's clearly not, or they'd have washing machines and tumble dryers.

Sinks are for washing your hands in public toilets. Much like the sinks in mens public toilets.

I don't know whether things have changed but fathers used to ask some presumably motherly looking women to take their daughter into the ladies. I would never have seen any man in the ladies. Wild horses wouldn't have dragged my husband into one. Bearing in mind, thirty years ago the science facility my husband worked in had an unisex loo. Well really it was well constructed as a single unit with very solid walls and the handbasin and dryer/towels were all inside the unit and it was one occupant at a time. I have to say it was mostly men and the place was immaculate. I had no hesitation in using the facilities on an occasional visit. I hate our unisex work facilities though as you seem to keep bumping into men in the corridor so I prefer to use the separate ladies.

Why could he not take her to the men's?

I actually can't get worked up about this. I wouldn't want a 4yo girl being taken into the mens rooms where men have their penises out while they use the urinals, and she's just a bit too young to be left to use a public toilet on her own.

Assuming there were no baby/parent toilets, I understand why the dad made the decision he did.

^Fully agree with this

But the bigger picture in this scenario is that a man was helping his child to toilet, to leave them unsupervised would put them in a vulnerable position and become a safeguarding issue.

Surely you are not so blinded by the thin edge of the wedge you cannot see that a little girl needed her caregiver, who is unfortunately a male, in that moment?

Sure, but he must have been metres away from the male toilets, so didn't need to invade a female only space. The little girl's needs could perfectly have been met in a more appropriate space.

I mean, I have never heard of a woman talking their son into the male toilets. That just doesn't happen. So the issue has to be about how men feel entitled to tread over women's boundaries in a way women don't tread over men's.

Jesus fucking christ. The state of this crap.

The women's toilet is for women. Females. Not for men.

The 4 year old isn't at risk in the men's because her dad is with her

If her dad can come into the women's, why not every man?

And if you think a 4 year old girl shouldn't be taken by her dad into the men's, why is it any better for a 4 year old boy?

But the bigger picture in this scenario is that a man was helping his child to toilet, to leave them unsupervised would put them in a vulnerable position and become a safeguarding issue.

Surely you are not so blinded by the thin edge of the wedge you cannot see that a little girl needed her caregiver, who is unfortunately a male, in that moment?

No. The bigger issue is males feeling entitled to access female only spaces. He should have asked the staff to check the toilets and waited until they were empty and then stand outside (perhaps with the door open) until his daughter was finished. Not just decide he had a right to be in there and be indignant when a women expressed her discomfort.
The solution is not for women to shut up and put up. We’ve had enough of that, thank you very much.

No bloke at the urinals is going to risk a little girl's dad, and the other men in the toilets, thinking he showed his penis to a little girl.

Actually that’s a really good point and I think probably just is the crux of the matter as the mother of a son I have never taken my boy into the male toilets and stood there outside a cubicle while he uses the facilities.

i’ve inconvenienced myself and potentially embarrassed my child rather than be in the wrong place.

Or he could put his big boy pants on and use the mens toilets.

Because a boy is the same sex as a man and so should use the boys & mens room. They both have dicks, they both pee standing up. A boy is not the same as a girl.

Exactly.

And the hysteria over "BUT THEY MIGHT SEE PENISES" is very odd.

Small boys must sometimes get an eyeful in female changing-rooms and yet their female carers mostly manage to deal with the situation tactfully and appropriately without offending anyone.

I wouldn’t have even dared to suggest it

But the man in the scenario isn’t using the womens toilet, his daughters are. Daughters are females don’t you know. Why should any female be forced to use the mens toilet, which is for males?

@Discovereads so the sex of a 4 year old matters but not the sex of an adult male in a female space?

Don't let the inconsistency hit you on the way out. Don't wanna lose any brain cells there

@Discovereads why should the other women be forced to tolerate an adult male in their space?

The sex of two little girls who need to use female facilities matters more than the sex of one man who isn’t even using the facilities but merely assisting his girls and safeguarding them.

Only inconsistency is you erasing the 6 yr old.

This is tricky.

Man takes small daughters into the ladies... gets crucified.
Man takes small daughters into the mens... they might see penis (my dad used to take me swimming, took me into the men's changing rooms. I saw far too many penises as a child). Gets crucified.
Man takes daughters into a disabled/unisex loo, gets crucified.

What is the father to small girls meant to do?

Because the needs of two girls outweighs the comfort of any women. Tolerance for the benefit of children is a good thing.

Petition for more family toilets and facilities?
Nah it’s much easier to just give them women’s spaces. Fuck it.

This.