Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

It seems a lot of MNers have partners who stand in the communal area of a toilet while doing the helicopter.

Do you really think that if men taking their daughters into female toilets became acceptable (it still rightly is a taboo), that men won't use it as an excuse? Seriously, use some critical thinking. We can never have any men in womens toilets and history, right to now with the assaults on women in toilets since the whole TWAW thing proves that if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Recent history shows this. Without a shadow of any doubt.

No, it’s true. Perhaps you haven’t got far enough back in history in your studies to know any better.

I have no anxiety or paranoia.
I have four brothers, three sons and know many great, kind men.

And this is an insane false dichotomy and hat either posters are with you, or they have Ma phobia and need mental help.

And for the 20th time, it has been explained exactly why this is a problem.
And it’s not just the fact that a dad was stood with his two daughters, but what broader implications it has.

Read the thread and engage properly, or not at all. Honestly.

@Hell0daisy Thanks for telling a rape survivor and a survivor of a sexual assault in a womens toilet by a man that she is 'precious' and 'triggered'. You sound very short-sighted, callous and ignorant.

Women wash out period-stained underwear at the sink, adjust themselves, change to go clubbing, etc. It is not merely 'washing hands'. If it was, there would be no 'womens' facilities.

If you think it’s OK for little girls to go into loos full of men urinating without cubicles, why are you getting your knickers in a twist about one man just standing in a fully cubicled loo? The lack of logic is mind blowing.

What about the 4yr old? I see you’ve conveniently left her out?

Exactly.

If I'm out with my DD (4) then I take her in the men's. It would never cross my mind to take her in the ladies!

If the mens cubicle was out of order for some reason then I would obviously have to consider my options but if I was in a shop or venue I would be asking staff not just going in the women's.

If I need the loo (which is more than DD!) then she has to come in with me too. Those saying it's fine can dad's also use the women's so their DDs can wait inside?

It’s nice to see that he’s teaching his girls that female boundaries and spaces don’t matter. But daddy this is the ladies, you can’t come in here! Oh darling that doesn’t apply to me.

It’s a McDonalds- - the men’s toilets aren’t stretching to the horizon

Discoverers knows everything about mens intentions, mens toilets, how they piss and what they need to be good dad in society.
But yet simon an actual man with kids, does not.

How bizarre.

No it is absolutely not true. And you know it.

More likely to be “Daddy this is the men’s, I’m a girl”.

The 4 year old is with her big sister. You honestly think she can't be with her big sister?

When we were with my dad ( divorced parents) dad stayed outside and at 6 and 4 my sister and I went to the loo by ourselves. I can't remember any problems other than passing my sister some loo paper. No way would dad have ever dreamt of coming in!

Because those children in the mens loss are accompanied by their adult dad.

There may be unaccompanied children in the ladies, then presented with a man (without children as they may or may not be in there too).

Why is that so hard to understand.

@cornishcrusader so the authorities are insisting that other female children- who may themselves be in the foster care of a different family, possibly for traumatic reasons- have to face a man in the female toilets?

Yes. Their logic would be that the social worker is primarily there to protect the child in care they are responsible for, and not another unknown child (who if in care would be the responsibility of their social worker). So although general guidelines would apply to both families, extra safeguarding measures could be given to one family depending on the particular circumstances. Basically involving BOTH children to always be accompanied by one of their trusted carers (male or female) in order for them to be safeguarded in public toilets/changing rooms...which granted could mean two males in the female toilets and that's getting silly!!!

I'll repeat again, your 8-10 year old was unaccompanied and saw a man in the toilets, I didn't say anything about 2 little girls.
You would assume the man was with children? What if your daughter was upset by it?

I wouldn’t get worked up seeing a man safeguarding his two small daughters in the women’s loos. They are too young to in there on their own, even the 6 year old might have needed help. I know my 6 year old granddaughter sometimes does.
It far better than him taking them into the men’s with open urinals.
Its not as if he’s got x-ray vision and can see through closed cubical doors.
How many of us have seen notices saying ‘ Male Attendant on duty’ and never turned a hair.

You don't even need to go in and check. Just open the door, shout "I need to bring my young daughters in, is that OK?"

I do have a Mr Discovereads near by and have been typing his man view down. So, it’s not me vs Simon. But man vs man. Shouldn’t be surprising that two men do not have the same opinion. After all we are women with conflicting opinions, are we not?

Yes, this is how it is for normal families and has been for generations. Dad waits at the entrance. It's how it's done.

Hmmm, no posts saying “Mummt this is the ladies, I’m a boy”.

Pretty much every McDonalds has an accessible toilet, and that is the one that should have been used in this instance. Men should not be in womens toilets, by law.