Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

Manphobia is not wanting men in female loos. Hilarious!

That is not the point!
Nobody has once said that.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

If any of the children had a disability he would have likely taken them to the disabled toilet. As he didn’t it suggests neither of them have a disability or additional need, in which case they should not be using the disabled facility.

I know 🙄.

I'm assuming that all those people who think it's fine for men to be in women's loos are equally fine with women going into the men's.

Or does this only go one way?

@IstayedForTheFeminism I don't blame you, I would have too if I heard mine getting distressed. Would have been straight in there.

Disabled toilets are for disabled people. Not for dads who don't want to take their children into the men's toilets

What? And leave his 4 and 6 yr old unattended outside? That is batshit reckless.

Because disabled people don't exist...

@mathanxiety agree that there should be separate facilities for accessible toilets and babychange- you could then easily make the baby change into a self-enclosed family bathroom.

God I’m dense.

A few days ago I was in Schiphol, using the toilet and I could hear a man cooing to a baby. I was wondering where the sound was coming from. I just assumed it was in a different toilet/ baby area. I stepped out of the cubicle, swinging the door open and the door was stopped by a man’s hand. Right outside the cubicle I was using, a changing table was open and there was the man and baby.

I apologised profusely, the man was really nice and it was obvious he couldn’t speak English as he gestured how he had to change the baby etc. I smiled as I washed my hands, told him baby was gorgeous blah blah and left.

Now reading this thread, it just hit me he was in the ladies! The presence of the baby obviously made me let my guard down and I never thought he shouldn’t be there. The family rooms/changing rooms must have been occupied and he probably thought ‘there might be a free one in the ladies.’

I later saw the man and baby again and we smiled at each other. He appeared to be with his partner, a man, as they were both fussing over the baby.

This leads me to ask, as I’ve only accidentally ever been in one, are there changing tables in the men’s toilets? Shouldn’t there be?

So a man standing by a sink triggers you , yet a few feet away him sitting close to you at a table is perfectly ok?

I don't understand. In The country I live in they aren't male or female they are just toilets it's not like he's in the cubicle with you.

@Natty13 Of course your brother shouldn't be going into womens toilets to change his 18mo nappy. He should be using the baby change area.
Please tell me where he is that only has a baby changing area in the womens toilets. I will happily start a petition to get one added in the male toilets or separate facility.

A plumber or fire inspection is completely different. Either the toilets would be closed off or there would be signs to alert women to the fact there may be male workers carrying out essential maintenance or repairs.

It's a tricky one these days.

Perhaps he should have taken them to the disabled toilets together and waited outside?

I'm guessing he was trying to do the right thing and didn't want to leave his daughters unattended, which I understand.

I have used the disabled toilets for this reason in the past as not to upset anyone but I'm sure I'd get flamed for that too.

It's a no win situation, do some disabled toilets have baby changing so it's so of dual purpose?

I wouldn't like it myself but would try to understand he was probably unsure what to do.

Name me one sexual predator that has attacked anyone in a woman’s toilet while he also has his two young daughters with him? Let me guess, the answer is zero. Really tired of the manphobia on here

How many sexual assaults in toilets are committed by men and how many are committed by women? Why do you think there are single sex facilities in the first place? A clue: it isn't because women routinely assault men and young boys. And yes, men who do this will sometimes assault their own daughters as well as other women and children. Being a father is no recommendation of being a safe individual. Neither is owning a dog, or holding down a steady job. Sexual predators come from all walks of life but the one thing they have in common the vast majority of the time is that their sex is male.

I've been in any number of gents' toilets as a kid with my dad, and never saw a penis. Big trench urinals where there's no modesty dividers are vanishingly rare outside places like football stadiums, and even then, if they absolutely have to, dads can take measures to stop the kids looking. Plus, every man pissing is already taking measures to be discreet, and if a little girl comes in with her dad, even more so. Because I can't imagine anything more terrifying for a man than hearing a little girl with her dad saying "Daddy I saw that man's willy".

I hope your ridiculous over reaction hasn’t put him off taking his daughters out on his own.

Of course it's perfectly safe! 6 is too old to have your father in there. I cannot believe anyone can rationally argue a 6 year old (without any disabilities/height restrictions etc) can't go to a female toilet. That is just imo really messed up thinking. 6 year old girl with women in womens toilets. They can't be safer than that.

Of course he should not have been n the womens toilets. If the mens is unsuitable for children that is something that needs to be addressed. Not be having men entering into womens spaces.

If he can’t manage to take his daughters out without invading female only loos then he can stay at home. Most men manage it. Who gives a shit if he’s put off?

I don’t know how to feel about it really.
I’m a single parent with an opposite sex child, it seems like no option makes everyone happy.

I definitely wouldn’t be okay sending my son into the men’s, but there are those who will be uncomfortable by me taking him into the men’s. And I’d never be okay asking a random stranger to take him to the loo- so I wouldn’t expect a man to be okay with handing his daughters to a random woman.

But it's OK for little girls to be in mens' loos with urinals? Women are more important than small girls? I don't think so!

Are you just going to continue calling posters who don’t agree with you ‘stupid’ because it’s getting boring now.

Not every man is a rapist waiting to attack you or your young, some just want to ensure their child toilets safely.

The dad did the right thing. Especially with the girls being so young.

The OP is not responsible for this man’s behaviour.

What a stupid thing to say.

For all the posters who are fine with this, how would you feel if you had an 8-10 year old daughter, who went unaccompanied to the women's toilets and came out and told you there was a man standing by the sinks? Would you assume he was just there to safeguard his own daughters?