Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

And I have been stuck in a locked cubicle in John Lewis as a 50+ year old who can easily operate a lock when it isn’t broken!

As I wasn’t just four years old I didn’t panic and was able to use my phone to call customer who services who sent a MAN to unscrew the door and let me out.

It is illegal to use the ladies in designated SSS, because it can be considered a breach of the peace.

There are many ways round it to stop men using them, or why would they have SSS at protected in law at all?

Don’t be so obtuse.

Most decent blokes wouldn’t want to cause upset to women in this way any way.

Only entitled wankers.

There was a brilliant thread about this on Twitter, written from a man’s perspective. I am going to try and find it.

Such a sweeping statement - what about a 6 year old with SEN or anxiety? Some disabilities are invisible to others. My 6 year old daughter has mild SEN and definitely wouldn’t go to the toilet on her own, but people observing her for a short time would assume she is neurotypical. Anyway, in the world we live in today, I wouldn’t want my primary-aged children going to any public space on their own.

I also don't get why a little girl mustn't possibly walk past a urinal but a small boy can

Indeed. In France 25 years ago it was fairly common in smaller establishments for women to have to walk past a set of urinals (in a tiny space) that were behind a single door from the main bar, to get to the women's toilet - a single cubicle. Often the men taking a piss would leer or make a derogatory comment. I thought it was fucking disgusting and once I knew about the arrangements I would wait and go somewhere else. I hope that has changed now, but perhaps not, with some men considering women's spaces a free for all.

@LizzieVereker I don't agree with men in womens toilets no matter what the reason, but sadly, in the UK it is not illegal for a man to enter the womens toilets.
It should be.

Quote fail - that was for @Alb0

I agree with you OP. The clue is in the fact that they are womens toilets. For women. And girls. And very young boys who can't use the mens toilets alone.
Mens toilets are for men, boys and yes - girls who are with their dads and too young to use the womens alone.
I'd guess the 4 year old and definitely the 6 year old use the toilet independently at school. So he stands outside the entrance and waits for them. If they are taking too long, he shouts into them. Or if they are busy he asks a woman entering if she can see them and if they are OK. If they are empty and no-one else is around and they haven't responded to him, he should shout that he is coming in and then go in to check on them.
If he's not happy with that, he takes them into the mens. Straight into a cubicle. Wipes everything down beforehand if necessary. No need to hang about by the urinals.
In some places, there may be family toilets as well as a baby change and disabled. But not a grown man in the womens (emergencies aside).

So now women’s toilets are unsafe too?

Clearly there’s an infrastructure problem in the Uk, needs fixing obviously.

And in the meantime, women’s SSS should be maintained and respected.

I think YABU. He's a dad keeping his daughters safe and comfortable not a lone man

Seiously, piss off the lot of you.

They are not your rights to give away.

The rights of those children aren't yours to to take away.
I don't know why you think you're more important than them but you're not.

@Simonjt That was an unfair comment to the PP insinuating her dad was a pervert. I'm pretty sure back in the day, the urinals weren't as private as they are now. I remember seeing some that were set out like a long sink with no dividers. You would be able to see in that case depending on the angle of the urinal. They seem to be more private and modest these days.

There are no 'sides' to urinals, they are out in the open as soon as you walk in.

You send your 4 year old son into a men's public toilet on his own? There's no way I would do that.

Ah okay, so as a man who uses urinals I clearly don’t know what they look like. I see.

Ideally there would have been a separate disabled/family loo for them to use but understand why he did it and would not want the girls using the mens.
My husband came into the womans loo with me recently to help with a nappy change when our toddler was being difficult. We were in our own cubical but he had to go past the sinks and stalls to get there.

Yes they are far too young to go in alone. Do me a favour and Google “child assaulted toilet” and you will find a horrifyingly long list of children assaulted or raped in toilets because their parents didn’t go in with them.

They have somewhere to go, and it is the womens room. If some entitled women would just have a bit of empathy for a couple of young girls.

So by definition all little boys, if we assuming mum does all the taking children out on day trips etc, have never been protected and are all screwed basically?

Why are public washrooms inherently unsafe?

And what has this go to do with the price of fish, and single sex spaces?

Exactly. The rights of these girls safety are far more important than a bloody grown woman in a locked cubicle.

Trough urinals are absolutely a thing.

I myself have Autism, @Songoftheseas . I think it should be pretty obvious I, and everyone else, are talking about the average 6 year old. We shouldn't need to add disclaimers to everything every time we post.

Abs who did the assaulting hmm?
Am going to guess it’s very percentage of male attackers.

So now you’re saying we should normalise men being in the ladies (because it’s ok) and girls shouldn’t worry about it.

So a (male) sex predator can just stand in a loo, apparently ‘waiting for his daughter to finish up’ no cost challenges this, and then what.

Don’t be so ridiculously naive.

high percentage

People are too stupid to see that this is the thin end of the wedge!

No men in ladies toilets, ever.

No exceptions, ever.

I’ve asked my DH and he says not all mens urinals have sides wide enough to block the view of passers by, especially curious children. He said men know to look up or away, but children would not. He said that some mens rooms even have troughs instead of individual urinals and that there is no way to not see dick in such a case. He also said that many men would be seriously uncomfortable to be mid flow and exposed while little girls walked in on them and that this is far far worse than a woman mid flow inside a private locked cubicle where there is not even a way to see who has come in or for them to see her.

So naive!
Seriously!
You can’t see how allowing this can be manipulated.

Good thing there are plenty of us that do.

Bloody handmaidens.

Be angry we don’t have a good infrastructure, not angry at women protecting their spaces.