Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

Yes they are far too young to go in alone. Do me a favour and Google “child assaulted toilet” and you will find a horrifyingly long list of children assaulted or raped in toilets because their parents didn’t go in with them

It happened at a local leisure centre - a girl of 8 was sexually assaulted by a man who followed her into the toilets.

But to me, that's an argument for not allowing men anywhere near women's toilets. Girls and women are assaulted by men in all locations at all ages. When do they stop needing to be escorted? When they're 35?

Of course he can. You usher them straight into a toilet, much like women do with their small children in public loos.

A girl in the mens with her dad, is not at risk.
Might be gross, but not unsafe if with her male adult chaperone.

A young girl alone in the ladies is at risk if there are any reasons that men can ever be there!

Simple fact.

That young girl using the designated space, for her, has a right to be safe, at all times.

I think he planned it all, a long con, had two children just so he could see younin the loos.

I am sorry but this would not bother me.

Does it make a difference? As soon as you start flexing the rules you could have any man in there pretending to be waiting for his daughters. Men should not be in female only spaces full stop.

Stop normalising men being in legitimately designated SSS for females.

Stop trying to make us accept this, and by default our young girls to accept it.

@Discovereads which is why the dad would go in first to check, and ensure the privacy of the men in there.

So if one of the loos breaks you've got to close the entire block until you can source a female plumber? Or when the annual fire inspections are due you've got to make sure at least one of the team is female?

Single sex spaces are important but you're being utterly irrational. Occasionally there will be a valid need for a man to enter the women's loos.

I'm torn and actually totally unsure of the right answer. Dh takes dd into the mens, but I don't love that he has to tbh. She is 4 and doesn't start school until September, she wouldn't be able to get on the toilet on her own as she can't reach and she would most likely be too scared to go in on her own anyway. Probably just quickly going through to a men's cubicle with dad is the right thing. That said, I don't think the man could have been perceived as threatening when there with his two girls so it was quite an overreaction.

I’ve never worked out the answer to this. It’s more inappropriate for dds to see men weeing at urinals than a dad standing in a room with lockable cubicles in my mind. You can’t send a 4yo to loo on their own so I’m not sure he did anything wrong.

It's important to balance out how people feel about this. Young children are not going to be particularly fussed what toilets they use but a female might be very upset about a man being in there.

That clearly not what we’re talking about here is it
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If I had a young daughter and I knew that for whatever reason, men could be in there, I would accompany her.

Stop trying to use silly exceptions to define the rules.

Ludicrous.

The safety of those children takes priority over my desire to have a women-only space. Women can hurt kids too. I'm glad he was looking out for them!!!

Mens toilets are open plan. There is a long bench sink on the floor, then cubicles. If you're a man you'd know this surely?

Four year olds go to the toilet all the time on their own at school, I worked in early years, you think teachers and TAs have got time to take kids to the toilet everytime they want to go?! But I still feel sorry for the guy, he was doing what he thought was best for the safety and comfort of his daughters, it must have been horrible for the little girls to witness some stranger berating their dad as well.

Exactly. Absolutely no replies to me saying my brother needs to take his 18mo into the ladies to do her nappy. People on this threads getting more and more hysterical and bleating about non existing laws or imagined rights and ignoring actual logic.

Is it not better for him to take his girls into the ladies than into the mens where the urinals are open? Stop making it into something it isn't! Silly.

Exactly.
If you start to normalise it, then it won’t be questioned, which is not ok.

The right of those two girls is. Ot more important than the right of another unaccompanied girl in there.

Its just how it is.

I'd much rather this than a bloke take his daughters into the mens toilets but of course that won't go down well here.

Never seen a toilet like that in my 34 years, both in the UK and abroad. But, you clearly spend more time in mens toilets than me.

Your brother should. Or be in the ladies changing a nappy no.

Speak to staff to find a private space, go to your car, flatten buggy out etc.

But do not go into the ladies to do this.