Dad in women's loo .

[HappyDays40]

I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

At 6 my girls would have gone to the loo alone and Dad wait outside. If they’d have found a fully grown man in there they’d have been rather upset, that scenario is totally unacceptable, and I’m not sure why a dad wouldn’t think of that

@Discovereads That's what I read too which is why I deliberately said "may". I would have to read and research in more detail. I know it mentions changing rooms but I didn't notice toilet facilities.

The toilets at school don’t have locks, the sinks are also at an appropriate height. Unless they have a specific childs sink (very few do where we live) my six almost seven year old son is unable to use sinks in most toilets as they’re too high, so if he went in alone he would be unable to wash his hands.

I am so sorry @VickyEadieofThigh , I quoted you telling you to re read the post, before I realised you had already re-read and apologised.

Are school toilets full of strange adults?

I dont feel its suitable for little girls to go into the mens toilets ,even with Dad.He was within his rights here .

At 4 and 6 they're too young to go in there on their own. It would have been worse to take them to the men's toilets. It's a tricky situation. Aside from unneccessarily making them hold on until they got home (which could amount to abuse) there's not much else he could have done. He's probably never going to take his daughters there again in case someone reports him to staff. So there's that.

You honestly think 2 sisters holding hands and a 6 year old helping her sister can't go to the womens by themselves for 3 minutes? If so I think is pretty well helicopter parenting.

Unless you chose a partner who holds his children up and dangles them over the urinals its perfectly fine. So, if your partner isn’t a pervert, there are zero issues.

Oh, so children have no rights. Got it. Nice to know children are less than human.

You can create the biggest strawman you like, but nothing changes the fact that the men shouldn’t be in there.

The two girls have the right to use that space.
Clearly.
They can safely go in there, I haven’t said they can’t.Their father has no
right to be in there.

And is this is a continuous problem, then they should ensure a female adult
chaperone is present at all times, or he should go to spaces with gender neutral loos.

He has no right to be in the ladies. Ever.

Yes, it's different. How do you know there's a male cleaner? Because they put a fucking sign on the door

But personally it wouldn't have bothered me.

Just becuse YOU don't mind, doesn't mean that you can wave away other women & girls' comfort, preference, & privacy.

Utterly bizarre that anyone thinks this is ok but a fair few do.

No, they are not different at all. Not at all. And the father could have been standing right outside the entrance. As how parents generation did for me, and I did for my kids. Standing right outside the entrance. There was absolutely no need for him to be there. No need at all.

And there should be more accessible spaces for men with young children created, or men should generally take better care of their facilities, or they should be a family cubicle in the mens toilets away from the stalls, but until that time women do not have to give up their spaces.

Ever.

you are
completely wrong. His girls are
young and the unrinals are disgusting and mens willies are out on show. He is right and you are wrong

My god the hysteria over such a non issue.

A dad supervising his young children, not a loner creeping in listening to women peeing! Of course he did right thing. It’s slightly ironic some are harping on about womens rights and safe spaces, what about those little girls rights to be in a safe space? Surely it goes both ways!

They aren’t.
They can use the toilets freely like anybody else.

If your child needs help. Make sure there is someone around who can help them.

And I don’t think we have mini tiny toilets up and down the country in private homes so we. Little children use normal sized ones all the time.

But he wasn’t - he broke the law.

@cornishcrusader if it is that much of a safeguarding risk for your young foster children, what happens in a couple of years time, when they are old enough to go into the ladies by themselves when out with your husband, and they come across a man in the ladies toliets? Why is that not also a risk?

Well most parenting experts agree with me that 6 is too young to supervise a 4yr old. In fact, most think that 6 is too young to go by yourself into a public toilet. The usual rule of thumb is 7/8 assuming no disabilities.

"A 6yr old is too young to supervise a 4yr old. That really neglectful parenting if you think that is ok."

It's not neglectful. If an establishments toilet is that dodgy that that situation is unsafe, you would be wise to not use the establishment.

LOL to the number of people thinking mens dicks are on show in a public

😆

This. At 6 years old the dad waits outside. That's the only option that should be entertained. My dad did, my husband did, and so on. Generations before and til now did that. Why is it suddenly a problem. The amount of helicopter parenting on this thread (that I've only skimmed and mainly reading the last page) is actually scary. It's no surprise that developmental standards of children/teenagers are going backwards.