Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

This may cover it

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7

I don't understand this 'they're too young to go in unsupervised'. The 6 year old girl surely goes into the girls facility at school? Or are you people suggesting a 6 year old primary school girl needs to get a teacher to follow her, go in and stand at the sinks, and wait for her, because she, a 6 year old primary schooler, cannot be unsupervised in girls toilets for 3 minutes?

Are you being deliberately obtuse here. A school toilet which is used only by children is not comparable to a public one with adults. 🙄

What part of two girls needing to safely access a toilet is more important than any woman’s comfort/feelings that you do not get?

School toilets are also child size. They are not the big adult size ones you find in public bathrooms.

I have yet to go into a womens toilet with my children that they couldn't reach the locks easily. Even my 4 year old could. And we're talking about women and girls. Strangers maybe, but so would many of her school mates. 6 is far too old to have your father take you into the toilet.

My dad used to take me in to the men’s- literally no issue. Unless you’re taking your kid to stand next to someone at the urinal they will not see anything at all. None of my male relatives would go
into the ladies loos, how entitled would someone need to be to think that’s ok

It is quite simple really.

Adults have the right to privacy from adult members of the opposite sex. Society recognises this, which is why we have single sex spaces.

Young children don't have the same need of or right to privacy as adults do. Nor do adults have the same right to privacy from opposite sex children as they do from opposite sex adults.

This is why (as per a recent thread) it is fine for a 6 year old boy to be in the women's changing-room but it is not fine fine for that child's mother to accompany him into the men's. Women's rights to privacy from adult men do not extend to a young male child. Vice versa, men do not have rights to privacy in respect of young female children because society simply does not view children below a certain age as either needing or posing a threat to privacy.

But it absolutely was.

He could have taken them into the men's.

He could have taken them into the accessable toilet which in most mcdonald's is also the baby change.

He chose to ignore the dignity of other little girls in there and walk in like it meant nothing.

If you'd prefer there to be no single sex spaces then just say that, you're entitled to your opinion. Just don't give me 1001 excuses as to why male people are allowed to transgress the boundaries of other women and girls.

@VickyEadieofThigh Thank you, I was worried what I had written!

Years ago my 3 dc would have spanned these ages.

If there wasn’t a family room or a disabled one I’d have had this chap’s dilemma.

There’s no solution that wouldn’t upset someone - even using the disabled one with on-one waiting.

The sooner toilets are designed to be anysex cubicles, opening from a corridor , with a small basin the better. This would solve so many problems.

I was thinking the same but could put my thoughts into words. Probably because it's illogical.

Yuck. Glad you spoke to staff.

Men are so annoying and stupid about toilets.

At the service station I was at yesterday waiting for my disabled parent to come out of the loo so I could push their wheelchair, there was a man and a tiny child blocking the entrance to the ladies while he waited for his wife and older child to come out. Women were literally having to take turns to come in and out of the entrance to get past him.

And then there was another man who rocked up with a boy of about 12 and a girl of about 9. He sent his son into the men's on his own but loudly said he didn't want to take her into the men's so he was going to wait for a disabled loo to become free.

I took great pleasure in making sure the door locked behind my parent when they opened it (you needed a radar key).

Why she couldn't have gone into the ladies on her own I don't know.

She wasn't left alone. She was with her 6 year old primary school sister. Who no doubt has been using the girls facilities at school by herself for a year or so.

It appears that a lot of MNers either have partners who walk around the toilet waving their knobs around, or they purposely hold their child/ren over the urinals so they can see other mens knobs.

Try reading the post you've quoted again. Her dad did not take here into the women's changing rooms.

Nope doesn’t state it’s actually illegal for a man to use the ladies room. It merely says it is legal for a service provider to provide single sex services in certain circumstances.

A 6yr old is too young to supervise a 4yr old. That really neglectful parenting if you think that is ok.

I'm so sorry, entirely my fault. I wish there was a 'delete' function on here. Realised as soon as I pressed send that I had probably mis-read your post.

young children using the loos at school and in public spaces are completely different. What a stupid argument.

At that age they are at risk of not being able to work the lock when trying to get out of the toilet, resulting in a hysterical 6 year old and a helpless dad outside.
I was that 6 year old and I still remember the fear.

I know, I apologised immediately.

I agree. Have said OP isn't being unreasonable in that he shouldn't be there but actually taking little girls into mens where urinals are is worse. Personally I think we should get rid of urinals and separate sex toilets and just have all cubicles/single toilets

Is it any different to having a cleaner of the opposite sex doing their job in either toilet.
There are frequently female attendants in male toilets.
At least a female toilet has the privacy of stalls. A male toilet would not afford his DD the same privacy as they're open.