Dad in women's loo .

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I have been to the loo in Mc Donald's and was mid flow when a dad walks in with his daughters aged about 4 and 6.He stands waiting while his daughters are using the toilet. I came out and said you are not supposed to be in here.
He said he had to take his daughters to the loo and I told him that he needed to either wait outside or take them the mens. He said they don't need to see that and I told him that he shouldn't be hanging round in women's toilets for any reason. His sense of entitlement gave me the rage so I told a member of staff. I can only imagine how triggering that could be for some women. Intrusive fucker.

Not if they are with their dads, @coffeecupsandfairylights surely?

Yes the other little girls in the ladies loos are very entitled and unreasonable for being scared of the grown man standing there.

When will little girls learn to put their feelings and safety aside for the preferences of adult men. 🤷🏻

But you're just teaching your son it's ok to use womens toilets, surely? Which you think is a problem for males to do.
Why didn't you send him to the mens toilets alone, if you didn't think the dad in this scenario has anything to worry about?

Risking flashing trauma to little girls is ok because it means other grown women don’t have to feel a bit of discomfort

bur it would be ok for other young girls, using their lawful spaces, to be disturbed by the presence of a man somewhere he’s not meant to be?

I don’t think so.

Agreed

It's strange that women here are insisting they have a right to single sex spaces and so the young girls should be forced into single sex spaces... of the opposite sex...

I hate the whole men using women's spaces thing but in this instance I think he did the right thing. You can't send your tiny kids in alone...... That's not safe. We all know what the men's loos in mcdonalds would be like. Come on.

“Disturbed” he’s one man outside a locked cubicle! Surely you can see that is an extra level of safety and security that just doesn’t exist for girls going into a mens room with many strange men.

There's someone entitled here and it's not the man looking after his children.

Exactly! Women are entitled to use a women only space. Men aren't. It really is that simple.

Except the beauty of this is that other women don’t have to agree with you, many clearly don’t come and this space as a space for women is protected for them by law.

Not your rights to give away are they!

This. You and your male child have absolutely no need to use the womens toilet.

I think he did the right thing! Women's toilets have cubicles. Much better than taking them into the men's.

And unfortunately, there are men who would deliberately turn around and expose themselves if they knew there were small girls next to them...

Even without exposure the girls would be aware that the men were holding their penis.

You as a grown up were worried as you were mid flow, but it is okay for little girls to flow with men outside holding their penis.

Plus the smell.

I think you totally overreacted to be honest. This was a dad with his 2 little girls, not wanting to expose them to a stinking mens toilet where they could potentially see a grown man's penis. This was not some perv, trying to look at women. A changing room is a very different scenario as women are naked in there with no cubicles so in this case he would need to take them into the men's or wait outside. I went to London the other day with my 10 year old son and took him into the women's toilets at Kings Cross as there was no way he was going into the men's alone. Do you think that is unreasonable?

FFS it’s not “for the preferences of adult men” it’s for other little girls who need safe access to a toilet.

What part of male free spaces don’t you get?

What part of the ingrained teaching that strange me shouldn’t be in these species, so t you get?

What part of what other women may or may not feel comfortable with, and are legally protected in this right, don’t you get?

We definitely need family toilet facilities, as already mentioned on this thread.

It is inappropriate for the man to be in the ladies toilet, but at the same time his daughters were too young to go in entirely unsupervised. It would also have been inappropriate for him to take the girls into the men's toilet, so that begs the question of what he is actually supposed to do.

We have no middle ground in the UK. Public toilet provision all too often assumes that care and supervision of children will be women's work.

*spaces (not species)

They're not tiny kids, the oldest was 6, and surely goes to the girls toilets alone at school! The dad should have waited for the two girls, oldest 6, outside the entrance to the ladies.

This. Wtf op do you not have children? Leaving a 4 year old alone in a public bathroom is not on. He chose the best option in the womens. Pretty sure he was not interested in peeping just in safeguarding his children.

The mens have open urinals, the woman's have closed cubicles
I think he was right to be honest

And at 4 and 6 they will be using the toilets at school.He didn’t need to be in there at all.

I feel like every point here being made about the danger to girls in the men's bathroom is applicable to my young boys- should I tell my husband to start taking them into the women's? So they're not subjected to peniss waved around by paedophiles, the smell, the wee on seats, the mess, the idea of men holding their penis's? Because presumably these are issues for children not specifically girls?

Yea to be honest when my son was too old to go in the woman's I waited outside the men's for him. I wouldn't have gone in. They were 2 kids together so I don't see why he would have needed to have gone in too.

And at 4 and 6 they will be using the toilets at school.He didn’t need to be in there at all.

The toilets at school will be an appropriate size with easily workable locks and won't be full of strangers.