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Partner has really upset me - is it him or me being sensitive??

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

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LIZS · 31/05/2022 08:38

It does sound as if you are the default. What would happen if lo was ill and could not attend childcare? However you need to plan for the night shifts and have time to do so. Do you have anyone who could stay with you? Could you put your dc in childcare on your day off to get a rest? Can you use the break in July to reset the sleep pattern.

XelaM · 31/05/2022 08:40

I'm a single mum, so sorry I think you're being a bit unreasonable expecting him to do all the night wakings. It's unfair. You should be able to do a week of night wakings especially if he then gets a full week off afterwards.

orwellwasright · 31/05/2022 08:42

I don't think you're unreasonable. Lots of people have appalling work/life balances and it really impacts family life. Men in particular are brought up to prioritise their employer over trifling domestic fripperies so they happily neglect their wives and families.

But this is Mumsnet where the majority seems equally in thrall to the workplace (and money) so I'm not sure how much sympathy you'll get.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:42

@XelaM

I don't expect him to do all of them. I said most, not all. Also, this was his idea when it was identified by the mental health team at the MBU that sleep deprivation is a significant factor in my mental health decline. At the time he said he was happy to do most of the nights as they don't affect him in the same way. I do most of the day time and evening care, and all the drop offs/pick ups with childcare. And all of the mental load. So it evens out.

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cameocat · 31/05/2022 08:44

Whilst you do seem a bit if a default this is his job, he is not out partying and leaving you to it. Surely him having three weeks off will support you having a proper break too? Presumably that week off for doing some nights gives you some slack?

To be honest you both have a fair point which I think is why you keep revisiting it and there is no clear resolution.

Skinnermarink · 31/05/2022 08:46

i’m really sorry OP but logically the bulk of things would fall to the person who works less hours/less demanding/more flexible job, whichever parent that is. In this case it’s him. Night shifts also are bloody horrible.

it’s hard with no family support at all though, I feel you on that!

I also think you need to seek some proper counselling rather than bury trauma, easier said than done I know.

Skinnermarink · 31/05/2022 08:46

*Sorry, in this case it’s him with the MORE demanding job

TheFlis12345 · 31/05/2022 08:47

YABU to expect people without children to change their shifts to accommodate your life choices.

YANBU to expect your husband to work with you to try and find a better balance as the current situation isn’t working for you.

Skinnermarink · 31/05/2022 08:48

I do also think it’s a bit rich to imply people without children should be the ones to take the night shifts.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:48

Skinnermarink · 31/05/2022 08:46

*Sorry, in this case it’s him with the MORE demanding job

Time wise, yes I agree with you.

In terms of the nature of each of our jobs, they are very much on par. Mine is incredibly mentally (and emotionally) demanding.

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PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 31/05/2022 08:49

YABU to expect people without children to change their shifts to accommodate your life choices.

Completely agree.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:49

Oh ffs.

It was him who said "there's usually a few colleagues without kids who are willing to swap".

Take it up with him.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:50

Back to the point of the thread??

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Skinnermarink · 31/05/2022 08:50

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:48

Time wise, yes I agree with you.

In terms of the nature of each of our jobs, they are very much on par. Mine is incredibly mentally (and emotionally) demanding.

But unfortunately with most of the life/childcare balance it does come down to time and how much you have. In our case it’s me that has less of it (and I still do more but that’s another story)

Brefugee · 31/05/2022 08:50

I think you need to work out, in your mind OP, what you want him to actually do.

He works FT so doing most of the night wakings seems harsh, i realise that you need to prioritise your mental health, but he needs to be able to work too. Broken nights don't usually go on for ever. How much night waking with the DC is there? Are you doing anything about that?

If he works shifts, I'm guessing that he gets a bit more money for that. And the week off after a week of nights is an attractive proposition for many reasons, even while night shifts aren't really compatible with family life. So it sounds as though you want him to change his job? (he cannot force people to swap for his night shifts, and it would be deeply unfair and not at all right for management to put him only on day shifts so others have to pick up his nights)

Can he get a new job relatively easily with similar salary and seniority? Does he want to? Can you drop down to part-time for a while (at least until nights with the DC are more stable) or can he? Can you step up to do full-time if he did that to make up the salary shortfall? If he changes jobs can you do full-time to make up salary shortfall?

When you are clear about what it is you actually want him to do, talk to him about it. give him time to digest it and think about things.

SickAndTiredAgain · 31/05/2022 08:50

I don't think you are unreasonable, but I'm not sure he is either. It's hard without knowing the dynamic at his work, but if night shifts are part of the job, and he can't get anyone to swap, maybe he knows that talking to his boss about it would not go over well. You can imagine the post on here from the other side "my boss is making me do extra night shifts because my colleague has a baby and therefore has asked not to do them anymore. AIBU to think this is unfair." (Obviously it's different if people are happy to swap because they want to full week off afterwards, but it doesn't sound like anyone is happy to right now)

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:51

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:49

Oh ffs.

It was him who said "there's usually a few colleagues without kids who are willing to swap".

Take it up with him.

I even replied "why? What's in it for them?"

He said "they want the week off afterwards".

It was his own observation that many of his colleagues with children decline to swap as it's not convenient for them, and the ones who tend to go for it are child free.

That's an anecdotal observation of my DP and his work colleagues.

Not sure why people are getting themselves offended by it.

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Skinnermarink · 31/05/2022 08:53

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:51

I even replied "why? What's in it for them?"

He said "they want the week off afterwards".

It was his own observation that many of his colleagues with children decline to swap as it's not convenient for them, and the ones who tend to go for it are child free.

That's an anecdotal observation of my DP and his work colleagues.

Not sure why people are getting themselves offended by it.

I don’t think anyone is offended, but he probably realised that sometimes he has to suck up his turn at night shifts and can’t always be seen to be letting other colleagues do it. And also he’s getting three weeks off afterwards, which will be helpful to you surely?

Jellycatspyjamas · 31/05/2022 08:53

If his job involves might shift you’re being unreasonable to expect him to not do them - I’d be deeply unimpressed by someone trying to get out of night shift when it’s part of their job. It places an unfair burden on colleagues who end up covering - presumably he needs to work so can’t really just say he’s mot doing it.

What are you doing to support your mental health? What’s he doing to support your mental health? I’d second getting treatment for your previous trauma if that’s at all possible.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:53

he cannot force people to swap for his night shifts,

yes clearly I know this.

No one is being "forced."

Many people like nights believe it or not. They swap shifts around all the time in his job. He's equally done many a favour for colleagues by swapping shifts.

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Fireyflies · 31/05/2022 08:54

I can see that you're struggling, but imagine he probably feels caught between a rock and a hard place as you're requiring him to "fix" things that he's not really able to control. If he asks colleagues to swap shifts and they say no, he maybe doesn't have a plan, other than he does the shifts as required and you cope with the night wakings? Asking to be taken permanently off nights because your partner wants doesn't like being home alone with a 1 year old might not be possible, and - a he says - has downsides too as he won't get the week off in compensation. Could you speak to your health visitor and see if you can get any advice to reduce the night waking? Most 1 year olds will go through the night with no more that one waking.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:56

What are you doing to support your mental health?

A whole year of intensive treatment with the perinatal team before they ditched me as soon as my baby turned 1.

Taking antidepressants and anti anxiety meds. Asked GP for referral for more therapy now I no longer have perinatal support.

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KettrickenSmiled · 31/05/2022 08:56

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

I knew from this point that he wasn't bothering to ask about changing shifts because he wanted the 3 weeks off.

You are not being sensitive. He is being selfish.
Your response above was calm & logical.
But instead of listening, instead of really thinking through his shared responsibilities - the fucker went for the jugular with his triggering attack about your MH issue. Flowers
You are right btw - he doesn't get to parade getting a few extra days off to support you when you needed a stay at the MBU as some kind of special favour. ANY partner should expect to suck that up. It's not like you trotted off to the Maldives, or deliberately left him holding the baby ffs.

I cannot see how YOU are being unreasonable here.

How would it feel, tonight, if you asked him "what would you do if you were a single dad?"
And make him tell you how he would find cover, & juggle shifts, when he is looking after his 1 year old on a 50/50 basis.
Because I guarantee, when he made that hideous 'single mother' remark to you, he was imagining YOU doing all the grunt work, while HE swanned in to do Disney Dad once a fortnight.

You need to get him focused on how disproportionate the balance is, & try to enlighten him as to how he assumes you a Default Childcare Appliance.
You also need to get him to understand that he does NOT threaten you with singledom again as an attempt to put you back in your box when you protest his selfishness. That if he ever makes a callous remark like that again, you will cheerfully embrace solo life, because you will not be threatened & manipulated like that.

He also owes you a huge - HUGE - apology for bringing up your MH episode in an attempt to shut you down. How dare he? That was so below the belt.
If he isn't ashamed & embarrassed tonight I suggest you have a long, difficult talk with yourself about how you would manage without him, because it was utterly unacceptable to goad you like that while presenting himself as a hero for what - looking after stuff while his partner was seriously unwell?

May I ask - how is there no family support? Is this an unfortunate 'one of those things', or is it because you have moved away from your family's location?
Also, his job - does he HAVE to work shifts?
Would this not be a lot more manageable if he found something more parent-friendly?

Keep posting OP - I don't like that you needed to ask if YOU are the unreasonable one here. Your young man needs a bloody good shake.

DilemmaDelilah · 31/05/2022 08:57

I do understand how you feel, particularly if your mental health is fragile, but honestly it is not always easy, and sometimes extremely difficult, to swap shifts or to ask your employer to change your hours. It is not up to the employer to make changes for their staff just because it's suits their partners better. And if, as you say, his job is a nightmare then possibly he needs the full 3 weeks off to recuperate. Try to think about it from his point of view as well. The extra time off he asked for following his paternity leave may have been very difficult to get. Have you thought about why he may not want to 'rock the boat' when it comes to his job? Perhaps he is worried about losing his job, then he would not be able to help support you financially.

None of this negates your very real problems, perhaps you both need to have a very cslm, and practical, discussion about both your jobs and the best way to deal with it. Can you afford (and is it possible) for you to reduce your hours? Should be start looking for another job? If he is working long and unsociable hours that would probably mean lower pay. Discuss it properly, taking into account how it affects him too.

Smartiepants79 · 31/05/2022 08:58

Are the night shifts part of his contracted work? If so, then asking to get out of them isn’t going to go down well I would think.
If a colleague is happy to swap them that’s all good but don’t think you can assume or rely on it being possible. Asking him what the plan was if they all said no is a bit pointless. The plan would be that he had to do his night shifts himself.

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