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Partner has really upset me - is it him or me being sensitive??

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

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Frazzledmummy123 · 31/05/2022 10:02

I can see it from both sides, although I don't think you are being unreasonable. He does seem to be being quite stubborn and unwilling to do very much to make things easier which isn't great, however at the same time, he is working hard and I can understand the attraction of 3 weeks off.

Because he does so many more hours and anti social shift patterns including a week of night shifts, he isn't recognising just how exhausting your nights with the baby are on top of your work. It seems to be a case of this common 'blind spot' of not seeing parenting as being a form of hard work. When I was a SAHM to 3 kids, my DH would often whip out "I work, you don't". Your DH seems to be doing similar but because he works more and longer hours. Therefore, he can't see why it is such a big thing he gets this swap (not that it's an excuse, but just trying to see it from his side).

I can see why you feel he is being selfish though. I think perhaps you are both a bit cranky because of sleep deprivation? His hours and your waking nights must be tough on both of you. I don't know what to suggest, except find a way to ease some pressure off by one of you cutting your work hours. Not ideal I know, but it sounds like juggling both your work patterns and a 1 year old who is up through the night isn't working at the moment, and something has got to give. In the mean time, talk to him when you are both calm, try to find a way of getting him to understand exactly why you feel this way.

thetemptationofchocolate · 31/05/2022 10:02

OP what you describe, the thoughts which are keeping you awake at night, sound awfully familiar to me. I have had this in two jobs where I would wake at about 2/3 a.m. and lie there unable to go back to sleep due to the same things running over & over in my head.
In both cases I changed jobs as it was the job itself that was impacting on my mental health in such a negative way. You mentioned earlier that it had taken a lot of time & effort to get qualified for what you do, I get that you wouldn't want to waste all that time & effort, but if your mental health is being impacted to such an extent I think you ought to give some serious thought to a change.
Struggling on like this will do you no good at all.

Highfivemum · 31/05/2022 10:03

I would say you are being unreasonable. My reason for saying this is not in you asking but the fact that he told you he was trying. Twice you pushed him. What more could he say. I would leave it as he has asked and see what happens. It isn’t that I am not sympathetic to what you say. I have a DH who works shifts and away a lot and a do feel like a single parent sometimes. It is just that that is his job the way he earns a living. He isn’t on a jolly. He may feel like he is always asking he may be tired of being pushed. I would leave it. You asked that’s it.

perimenofertility · 31/05/2022 10:05

If working night shifts is part of his job then it's unreasonable to expect him to swap all of them to help with your child's sleep problems. It's great that some of his colleagues want those shifts and can swap sometimes, but if night work is part of the job, as his employer I would have a problem with him swapping all of them so I can understand him not wanting to ask often. Do you have family nearby - could you stay with them for a couple of nights while he is doing his night shifts, so there's someone to help you?

Onwards22 · 31/05/2022 10:06

I'd hazard a guess that at full time salary you would probably be the higher earner?

Yes by some way.

Then I’d definitely speak to him about going PT or giving up his job for a few months if he wants to.

If not I’d there any way you can do later shifts - so you’re not having to get up so early?

You are doing most of the childcare and I get why you would feel annoyed about it - but it’s not his fault.

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 31/05/2022 10:07

he isn't recognising just how exhausting your nights with the baby are on top of your work

As he does most of the night waking, pretty sure he has an idea.

anon2022anon · 31/05/2022 10:10

It also sounds as if work is as big a contribition to your mental health as lack of sleep. In my opinion, its not really totally fair to ask him to give up a part of his work that he enjoys to benefit your mental health, when you are also doing work that you enjoy that affects your mental health. What reasonable adjustments have you asked for at work to accommodate this? You may not have holidays, but there is also unpaid parental leave, or requesting a review with occupational health to discuss the impact it's having, and whether you can agree any flexibility.

By the same stretch, you should refuse some of the other things he's slacking on, if little one is ill make sure he is taking off his turn of days too, and stop automatically doing things- it's awkward to not just come up with solutions, but sometimes it helps to say, I have meetings tomorrow, you need to sort it, and then just leaving him to it.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 10:11

If not I’d there any way you can do later shifts - so you’re not having to get up so early?

I still have to fulfil my contracted hours each week so if I start later I have to finish later. The problem with that is, I don't have childcare later. My childcare ends at 5.30pm. Often DP is working until 8pm. We have no one else nearby to help. So I have to be there to collect her at that time. I suppose I could work later when she's (eventually) in bed. But not sure this would make me feel any less exhausted. I'd gain back time in the morning but lose it on an evening.

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Londoner256 · 31/05/2022 10:12

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

Ask him what he would do if he was a single dad. I bet he has never considered it for a moment

Alittlelost0 · 31/05/2022 10:12

I don't think posting here is going to help you. The problem is that some people would be able to cope with what you're describing (and maybe coping with worse) and so can't understand how you're struggling and maybe have never experienced issues with their mental health and therefore can't empathise.
There are also people who couldn't cope at all with all you've been through, we all have different tolerances.

For me I think you're both probably raising valid points but if you spend all your time looking for every one to tell you you're right, or for your DP to agree with you, you'll drive each other mad. Hardest thing about having no support is that there is literally just the two of you... I know as I'm in the same situation. You need to cut each other some slack. He said something hurtful but he was on the defensive as he felt you were looking at him to fix a hard situation and he can't. Neither of you has it easy so forgive the snapping and arguing and try and be kind to each other.

I was in this fix working with two kids under 3 and husband away all the time and it was tough. Now we have number 3 I've given up work for a while. Sickening when I think of the studying etc but it's got to be done for the good of our family... not that being at home with toddler and a baby and preschooler is easy!

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 10:12

SilverTotoro · 31/05/2022 09:59

I want to give you a big hug OP. You’re getting a bit of a hard time on here when actually what you need is a bit of support and understanding.

Your DH was BVU in making the comment about you being a single parent - agree with everyone else saying the response to this is what would HE do if he had to work nights as a single parent? Also using your hospital admission to score points was very insensitive. He needs to understand these comments are not acceptable.

On the wider issue of him working nights it is a lot harder. I agree if people are happy to swap and he’s only not swapping because he wants 3 weeks off in a row then he is BU. However, if he is genuinely unable to swap or it’s jeopardising his working relationships by repeatedly asking then neither of you are BU. It’s just a really difficult situation.

If he cannot swap - would you be able to book an extra day of childcare to catch up on sleep that week on your day off? would your work consider a week of unpaid absence if that was financially doable? In a worse case situation if your MH does start to suffer could you call in sick one day?

On this thread I don’t think anyone questioning what you are doing to support your MH or questioning who has the priority job is helpful at all. I’d just disregard those comments entirely.

Thank you

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BexW40 · 31/05/2022 10:13

You're in a partnership, yes a mum generally does more, that's what we're built for but he should step up for sure

Fairyliz · 31/05/2022 10:15

I think you are unreasonable expecting a ‘work life balance’ when you both work and have a young child.
I have been in that situation and for several years it is hell unless you have loads of help from grandparents.
I think it is a matter of gritting your teeth and just getting through it whilst thinking this too will pass.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 10:15

By the same stretch, you should refuse some of the other things he's slacking on, if little one is ill make sure he is taking off his turn of days too,

Another thing that's on me pretty much every time. I've left work multiple times when she's been unwell.

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SNAFU247 · 31/05/2022 10:18

Surely the way to fix all of this is for you both to decide that you're going to sleep train the baby? You'll need to invest a few nights where you BOTH agree to assist with the sleep training, and by 1yr old you're probably looking at more of a Ferber method as the gentler ones haven't worked on babies older than 9months in my experience. After a few nights of proper sleep training, with both parents on board and committed to tackling this, you're likely to see dramatic improvements in night wakings and therefore EVERYONE will get more sleep and this whole night-shift support issue won't be a problem....

This honestly sounds like the easiest and most realistic solution for you both.

Quitting jobs, pissing off co-workers by avoiding night shifts, using all you A/L on night shift weeks etc. seem to be quite drastic steps to take at this stage. Whereas fixing baby's sleep issues is something you can both do at home without the need to rock the boat at either of your jobs

pangolina · 31/05/2022 10:18

As your job is more lucrative, is it an option for you to go full time and him to be a SAHD?

Cherryblossoms85 · 31/05/2022 10:20

I had similar issues with my husband putting his job before everything else, whist I also work full time. There isn't an easy answer though, as he believes he is providing for us and trying so hard. In the end, he had a total breakdown and has been signed off work for six weeks. He has told me he is unlikely to go back. I'm a bit terrified now, as it means everything rests on my job, but he is happier and is doing everything around the house.

madasawethen · 31/05/2022 10:22

What is his job?

It sounds like you have the big job and vastly out earn him.
YOUR job should be taking priority over his.

You've made you and your job revolve around childcare and his job.

He thinks he's the important one here and has little respect for you or your profession.

He absolutely taking the piss.

Would things be OK if he went part time?

Also, did he work all the crazy hours before the baby?

ClassicGreen · 31/05/2022 10:22

I imagine working 4 days a week means you just cram 5 days worth of work into 4? Can you ask work how your workload can better reflect the fact you have proportionally less time to do your actual work? Meetings and work admin take the same amount of time regardless, leaving you less time to do the job. I'm sure they'd rather that than lose you. How important is that day off for you?

Sleep, sleep and more sleep needed. I wish I'd known about night nannies. Couldn't have afforded one though. Book a couple of nights away, just for you, in a quiet B&B when DP is off? Or go and stay with your family? Would they look after DC while you sleep? Anytime of the day would do. Just sleep.

Night shift working and relationships are incredibly hard. So lonely at times. It's not just the two of you going through this.

Autumndays123 · 31/05/2022 10:25

I'm sorry OP but I think YABU. You clearly think your job is much more important that your DH and I imagine that comes across in real life to. I can also sense that if you speak to him like you do about him here, it probably sounds like you're saying he can afford to make waves in his work because it's a job that's not really worth much - I doubt he feels the same.

It's really unfortunate that you have MH issues but I think having to do the 'night shifts' for a week every few months is not that much of a big deal. It also sounds like the vast majority of the night shifts fall on your husband every other week, so he is awake most of the night and then goes to work to do his day shifts? You sound like hard work and I'm not sure how long I would put up with that. Essentially, you work part-time and you want him to work full time in his job, doing the hours you want him to do so you can have undisturbed sleep every night. Doesn't seem very fair to me

Charl881 · 31/05/2022 10:25

Sorry OP I do think you’re being a bit unreasonable. DP sounds like he is supporting you by doing the bulk of the night wakings and trying to switch his night shifts when he can. The three weeks off after would also I’m sure be a huge help to you all.

I completely understand the impact of night wakings and lack of sleep on mental health - it’s the biggest trigger for my anxiety. But he’s not leaving you to go out partying, he’s doing his job and presumably shifts have been part of his job for a while.

If you genuinely feel like one week of night wakings could lead to you going back into hospital then I think you need to speak to your doctor urgently (appreciate you said you have been getting help and treatment). That does sound like it’s an issue that needs sorting asap but I don’t think the solution is the quick term fix of your DP swapping shifts.

I’d also look at if there is anything you could do to help your little one sleep better. If you’ve exhausted all options then please do just know they will get there eventually. I know that’s not massively reassuring but I’ve been in the depths of sleep deprivation and have come out the other side. It doesn’t feel like it at the time but it truly doesn’t last forever.

Mygodicanteven · 31/05/2022 10:26

I can understand your frustration but you're lucky to have a partner who's even willing to get up at night when you have to be at work in the morning. Some of us don't have that help or no help at all, ever.

He can't really help his hours. Yes they're unsociable. But so are a lot of people's working hours. Has he thought about possibly changing jobs to make things easier for the both of you?

RandomMess · 31/05/2022 10:29

Why is it when the Dad does night wakings he's"helping"? He is just being a parent!!!

FFS

EmeraldShamrock1 · 31/05/2022 10:29

Only in a man's world is his attitude acceptable.

Knuckle down on him or trade him in.

His priorities need to change pronto, it's what happens when you have a young family.

RandomMess · 31/05/2022 10:30

Short term can DD do more days in daycare? You don't have to always use it just because it's booked and paid for.

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