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Partner has really upset me - is it him or me being sensitive??

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

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Jellycatspyjamas · 31/05/2022 08:59

July is a few weeks away, could you get help with sleep training to reduce the night wakings - I know sleep deprivation is awful at the best of times, mine are much older and can still be up through the night - but it’s not a reasonable solution for him to swap out all his night shifts. Could you also get some counselling to help with your mental health, addressing your mental health will make such a difference going forward.

demotedreally · 31/05/2022 09:00

It sounds like he is a police officer or similar and therefore has been doing this sort of job for some time.

I'm afraid I think you need to come up with a way to solve this problem too. By acknowledging it is a temporary matter as your baby will grow up, working out a way to deal with it in the moment, and perhaps takin some therapy for what sounds like unresolved issues.

Your DH doesn't sound unhelpful or unkind and my impression is that you both are trying hard. Sleep deprivation is grim for all, but it does pass.

Good luck

Inertia · 31/05/2022 09:00

So have I understood correctly- he works a week of nights then gets a week off in recompense? In that case he takes over all childcare and household responsibilities during the week off, and you then only have to worry about going to work.

LJAKS · 31/05/2022 09:00

Are you continuing to work on your mental health? Counselling or CBT? Just there’s a lot of mentions in your thread about your declining MH but it’s not the best idea to have your MH entirely dependent on what someone else can or will do? As a single parent with a history of MH it’s a screaming red flag for me. He’s point about being a single parent is a valid one. You are totally correct that you are not one currently but you also don’t know what the future holds. I don’t think either of you are right or wrong it’s just a difficult set of circumstances but I really think you need to work on your mental health to a point where you aren’t dependent on someone else to function. Take care.

Hercisback · 31/05/2022 09:01

3 weeks off will be useful for you too OP as he will be around more.

How bad is the sleep situation?

I understand being the default option and the one who has to sort everything out. That's crap. OTOH I would want 3 weeks off if I could get it!!

Teaandcrumpets95 · 31/05/2022 09:01

I think you're both being unreasonable tbh.

Your child is a year old that is plenty of time for him to have factored in accommodations at work if they are necessary.

However, I don't think it's reasonable when these are the shifts he currently has to essentially get him to change them last minute to not do the baby night shifts. It's part of being a parent we sometimes have to get on with it (for lack of a better term) .

You also have no idea what may happen in life- my husband got admitted to hospital last week, no idea when he's getting out, I also have no family around so I'm doing everything for my 6 week old as well as trying to keep the house and myself above water. Not easy but there's nothing else I can do at present other than look after my baby.

I understand you have mh problems, myself and mt dh do too; but when children are involved you either need to find a way to do it or have a back up.

Be that your partner gets accommodations at work (and not shuffle round last mintue because that's not fair on you, his employer or his colleagues) or a friend or something to help you over night.

gamerchick · 31/05/2022 09:02

I think you're U to use mental health as a threat and expect him to walk on eggshells with his comments.

I'm seeing that those 3 weeks off would be better than 2 though. I get his point.

Maybe you could take that week off so the kids can go into childcare and you can catch up on sleep and he then gets 3 weeks off work after that.

But I'm all for having husband off work for decent chunks so I can see him more.

Darkstar4855 · 31/05/2022 09:03

This is a difficult one but I can’t blame him for wanting the nights followed by an extra week off if he is doing all the night wakes. The alternative is two weeks of working full time and being up at night as well which sounds pretty exhausting. I don’t think he’s being entirely selfish here and sounds like he’s more than pulling his weight.

Are you able to take some leave or swap your shifts around? You said you work 4 days, could you split them with a day off in the middle and get a bit of rest? Could you afford some childcare so you could rest during the day? I think there needs to be some compromise here before either/both of you end up completely burnt out and miserable.

SchoolThing · 31/05/2022 09:03

Look I really sympathise but I would encourage you both to try to get on the same side so to speak. Neither of you is unreasonable, you are just too busy and tired. Working at all with a young child is hard going unless you have fantastic support.

So it’s hard on you and it’s hard on him.

But try not to slip into competitive misery or blaming each other for the stresses because it’s the reality of living in a totally fucked society that values money ahead of people.

It doesn’t sound like he has a lot of choice around work so I’m so did you could find some support elsewhere? What is it you need most? Do you need regular slots of time that you can count on getting a break/getting out/yoga/therapy/exercise/seeing friends??

It was not cool of him to throw in the MH jibe and showing up when you were very ill was not a favour, it’s what we do when our partners are sick. Just as he is not doing you a favour when he looks after his own child, it’s what parents do.

So that is a conversation to be hammered out when you are both in a better space.

For now, give yourself a little space to process this upsetting conversation then perhaps think about possible ways to improve your well-being.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:03

@KettrickenSmiled

Thank you. You really get it.

It was bringing up the MBU episode that really hurt. I was made to feel like I should be grateful for his support at that time. It's a horrible feeling because I had no control over how badly I crashed at that time and I also don't need reminders of it. 😢

We have no family support because I moved away from them a decade ago for my career. His family are local but useless and don't help.

He definitely could never think about how he would manage as a single Dad. It's never crossed his mind he could be in that situation I'm sure. But he expects me to reflect on how I'd manage as a single mum of course.

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FOJN · 31/05/2022 09:04

It's sounds like he works on a rotating shift pattern, presumably he has a contractual obligation to work nights? Has his work pattern changed since you had a child? If he signed up for a job with rotating shifts then I'm not sure you can accuse him of not altering his shifts to support you, there will be limits to the flexibility his work can offer him so it may not be a case of him being unwilling to rock the boat.

Perhaps you need to have a conversation about him changing jobs or you reducing your hours but this may bring different pressures in terms of finances.

I don't think either of you are wrong but I think you need to have an honest discussion about whether his shift work is feasible for you as a family at the moment.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:05

think you're U to use mental health as a threat and expect him to walk on eggshells with his comments.

Wtf? How and where have I made any threats?

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KettrickenSmiled · 31/05/2022 09:05

Skinnermarink · 31/05/2022 08:46

*Sorry, in this case it’s him with the MORE demanding job

But it isn't.

OP crams her full time job into 4 days, & does all most of the day time and evening care, and all the drop offs/pick ups with childcare. And all of the mental load

Just because he's working shifts, doesn't mean he's doing more than OP.
And he offered, in tandem with OP's MH team's suggestion, to do the night wakings WHEN OP IS WORKING ie 4 x a week. That doesn't make him a conquering hero. It makes him a parent who is doing a fair share of night wakings.

And now he is making it hard for OP to schedule & understand what nights he is actually going to be around, of course - given her recent MH difficulty which is exacerbated by sleep loss - she is going to feel nervous about routine & sleep.
Instead of reassuring her - whether he could actually get the shifts sorted is less the issue here than his attitude - he chose to make a crack about single motherhood, & goad her about her MH. Nice.

Eightieschildren · 31/05/2022 09:05

Presumably he was working shifts including nights when you decided to have a baby. If so then you must have both realised this was going to be difficult. When we had our baby we were both working full shifts as emergency service workers. It was not unusual to have to swap the baby over at our place of work late at night as we swapped over shifts. We had no family support either. To have been working days as you are would have been a gift and would have made life easier.

I don’t think it’s reasonable for him to keep swapping his night shifts around as it’s disruptive for his colleagues and it’s not up to his child free colleagues to pick up his slack. Also keep swapping around makes your partner seem unreliable to his employers.

It’s awful that you’re finding it tough and it’s impacting on your mental health. I think it’s a shame that we never really hear how difficult caring for a baby can be until we’re actually up to our knees in it. Social media is very deceptive around this topic.

You should both be tag teaming as far as caring for your baby goes but that will always have to fit around the employment of both of you. What happens when he has rest days. Presumably he then looks after the baby whilst you’re working.

With regards to your mental health are you accessing all the support you can. Hope you start to feel better soon.

EverydayIsPJday · 31/05/2022 09:06

I agree with pp. Seems he's trying his best and he's trying not to rock the boat with work. I would also want him around for 3 weeks if I could to properly recharge. I'd also try and tackle the night wakings. I have two DC and both were only waking once by that stage and they were terrible sleepers as babies. I'd also check in with health visitor/GP to get support for your MH issues. Don't mean that rudely, just that your baby is only 1, there are alot of other things that may come up which you need to tackle on your own if your DH is needed for work in the future.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:06

Darkstar4855 · 31/05/2022 09:03

This is a difficult one but I can’t blame him for wanting the nights followed by an extra week off if he is doing all the night wakes. The alternative is two weeks of working full time and being up at night as well which sounds pretty exhausting. I don’t think he’s being entirely selfish here and sounds like he’s more than pulling his weight.

Are you able to take some leave or swap your shifts around? You said you work 4 days, could you split them with a day off in the middle and get a bit of rest? Could you afford some childcare so you could rest during the day? I think there needs to be some compromise here before either/both of you end up completely burnt out and miserable.

I have used all my leave for the weeks of nights he has done so far, our summer holiday in August, and a week in October when he is away with work. I haven't got enough leave to take leave for July as well.

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KettrickenSmiled · 31/05/2022 09:06

Skinnermarink · 31/05/2022 08:48

I do also think it’s a bit rich to imply people without children should be the ones to take the night shifts.

There was no implication.

There was a statement saying that often these shifts are popular, because they mean an additional week off, afterwards.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:08

@FOJN

Ive brought up the possibility of him seeking another job. It is not received well, shall we say.

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hulahooper2 · 31/05/2022 09:09

I think yabu. And surely you can cope for a week to allow him 3 weeks off, you only have 1 child to look after. My husband worked shifts when Both of ours were young and I worked 5 days

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:09

@KettrickenSmiled

Thank goodness for your reading comprehension and sense. Thank you Flowers

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yesthatisdrizzle · 31/05/2022 09:09

what would you do if you were a single mum?

The only answer to that is "What would you do if you were a single dad?".

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:10

yesthatisdrizzle · 31/05/2022 09:09

what would you do if you were a single mum?

The only answer to that is "What would you do if you were a single dad?".

I'll ask him tonight.

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Thymeout · 31/05/2022 09:10

I think that in the current economic situation, it's inevitable that your dp will prioritise work. Can you look at the problem from a different angle and focus on your toddler's sleep issues? If there were no night wakings, there'd be no sleep deprivation and you'd all be happier.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:10

And now he is making it hard for OP to schedule & understand what nights he is actually going to be around, of course - given her recent MH difficulty which is exacerbated by sleep loss - she is going to feel nervous about routine & sleep.
Instead of reassuring her - whether he could actually get the shifts sorted is less the issue here than his attitude - he chose to make a crack about single motherhood, & goad her about her MH. Nice.

Yes. All of this. It's his attitude about it all.

OP posts:
Skinnermarink · 31/05/2022 09:13

KettrickenSmiled · 31/05/2022 09:05

But it isn't.

OP crams her full time job into 4 days, & does all most of the day time and evening care, and all the drop offs/pick ups with childcare. And all of the mental load

Just because he's working shifts, doesn't mean he's doing more than OP.
And he offered, in tandem with OP's MH team's suggestion, to do the night wakings WHEN OP IS WORKING ie 4 x a week. That doesn't make him a conquering hero. It makes him a parent who is doing a fair share of night wakings.

And now he is making it hard for OP to schedule & understand what nights he is actually going to be around, of course - given her recent MH difficulty which is exacerbated by sleep loss - she is going to feel nervous about routine & sleep.
Instead of reassuring her - whether he could actually get the shifts sorted is less the issue here than his attitude - he chose to make a crack about single motherhood, & goad her about her MH. Nice.

Not to split hairs but as I understand OP works 9-5 for days a week with flexibility as long as she does her hours. So 8x4 which is 32. Not cramming full time into four days. I’m not saying that makes being a working parent any less bloody hard, believe me.

So in terms of hours and time, yes in this case it seems like the husband does more. It’s bloody hard I know, I squish 37 hours into 3.5 days and it’s very hard when you are expected to pick up any slack on your ‘day off’.

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