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Partner has really upset me - is it him or me being sensitive??

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

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Giveitall · 31/05/2022 09:13

I don’t mean this unkindly but you are in a situation where I would suggest in the most gentle way, if you are having trouble coping with broken nights, think twice about any more babies. This, especially whilst your current situation is unresolved.

My mum had my two younger brothers, both under 3, my dad did regular night shifts for years. One brother was terrified of the dark and woke often because of that. The other needed feeds. She also worked part time & coped.
Times were different then. Women just got on with it.
Chin up, babies aren’t babies forever. Hopefully when you have the 3 weeks together you can get your LO to settle.

LIZS · 31/05/2022 09:16

Why do you take time off when he has night shifts? Presumably he is available some time during the day.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:18

@Skinnermarink

It's not necessarily just the number of hours per week worked, though, that's relevant. I work at a level where there is a lot of responsibility and mental demand placed upon me. There are risks associated with dropping the ball in my job - risks to my own and others' physical safety. I have to supervise and advise junior staff, etc.

DP has a demanding job in a similar environment but at a level with less responsibility and pressure due to the less specialist nature of his role, if that makes sense.

So he may be physically at work more than I am, but the load we each carry isn't equal. And so my job keeps me awake at night sometimes. His doesn't.

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Onwards22 · 31/05/2022 09:18

YABU

If he was at home and couldn’t be bothered helping out then it would be different but he’s at work and he’s not in charge of his shifts.
I’m assuming he had this job before you had the baby so it can’t come as a surprise to you.

It is also not fair that he can’t mention you staying in hospital because it’s ‘triggering’ and it’s quite manipulative of you to keep using your MH as a reason to make him feel guilty.

I know how hard it is waking during the night and then having to work the next day - but this isn’t his fault.

It’s really important that you are both a team, instead of turning on each other because of sleep deprivation.
This is why so many couples break up after having a baby.

Is there any way he can give up his job or go PT for the next few months?
Can you pick up an extra day?

If you’re struggling with your MH by doing nights then he may need to be a SAHP until the baby can sleep through.

Hercisback · 31/05/2022 09:18

You need to split the issues here.

His comment about your MH was shit.

Your kids sleep needs sorting.

Your MH needs sorting.

His shift pattern isn't that bad for a week off after. But you both need a sustainable way forward for you to cope in the nights week.

Zippidy123 · 31/05/2022 09:19

It sounds like you're both working really hard to support the family financially and if there's no flexibility in his job then there's really not much he can do about it. This is the reality of parenthood. The early years are really exhausting but they'd be far worse if you were struggling to pay the bills.

My DHs work is the same as yours. I understood that before we decided to have a baby. It was difficult but that's just the way we balanced things-he works full time shifts and I work 4 days. My employer was more flexible, his wasn't.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:19

LIZS · 31/05/2022 09:16

Why do you take time off when he has night shifts? Presumably he is available some time during the day.

Because doing my job under conditions of sleep deprivation and deteriorating MH is less than ideal at best, and dangerous to both my own and others' safety at worst.

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Change123today · 31/05/2022 09:21

I don’t think your being unreasonable but then nor is he.

Your side is your MH is being affected by lack of sleep.And feeling of overwhelmingly with all that’s needed. You can vaguely see a solution with him not working nights.

He is trying to balance work and home life. He probably right now feels like he failing at both. His comments are harsh, but I think it sounds like he quite stressed and knee jerk rection. He’s being pulled both ways and struggling.He’s aware your struggling and probably frustrating for him he can’t just fix it all - whilst next time he needs to be kinder with words it does sound like a stress reaction.

Ive been there - we both worked full time and I think we both got quite harsh with words being used - once we actually communicated we realised we both tired and feeling like nothing was working. What actually needed to happen was working out how to get the baby to sleep! But also share and communicate better. Also less worried about things like a tidy house!!

Indoctro · 31/05/2022 09:22

Surely his job is the priority.?

You can't expect his work to be flexible so you don't have to do night waking with your kid

Sorry but I agree with your husband.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:22

@LIZS

He sleeps from around 7am-3pm on a night shift; then leaves again around 7pm. That leaves 4 hours of support with childcare. Take out the time he needs to eat and shower, it probably leaves 3 hours. The bulk is still on me. So it's easier to take my job out of the equation on those weeks (ie use annual leave). But I can't do it for all of them.

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:23

Indoctro · 31/05/2022 09:22

Surely his job is the priority.?

You can't expect his work to be flexible so you don't have to do night waking with your kid

Sorry but I agree with your husband.

The priority above what? Mine? My mental health? The family?

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CoreyTaylorsbiggestfan · 31/05/2022 09:23

As a shift worker YABU. I cope better with night wakings etc as I work shifts. But I wouldnt want to do all the night wakings as I need my sleep as well. As a shift worker it's exhausting as your body clock is all over. Some people at work hate nights and some people love them and do other peoples. I do my fair share.
My husband is the one who takes over when I'm at work x 2 13 hour shifts over the weekends, when I'm nights etc! It's called team work. Is he not allowed to go away for work or socialising as he needs to be there for the night wakings,
It's only July for 1 week and he gets 3 weeks off (which im assuming he'll be looking after your child when your at work).

roarfeckingroarr · 31/05/2022 09:25

I think you need to better manage your mental health because it's not fair that he works longer hours, does most the night wake ups and then has to mess with his career by regularly requesting special treatment and not getting the benefits ie the week off. It might not sound like much to you but many work places will get a bit fed up quite quickly with someone always being a bit awkward.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:25

It's only July for 1 week and he gets 3 weeks off (which im assuming he'll be looking after your child when your at work).

Yes he'd be doing the childcare for some of the days of week 1 (still using nursery on others), and weeks 2 & 3 we are both off together as we are going on holiday.

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LampLighter414 · 31/05/2022 09:26

Sorry but I have to say YABU. You sound very demanding, inflexible and hard work. The man is earning a crust, not out partying with mates. When he is not on nights he does the night waking. You are upset over 1 week of night shifts that will be followed by 3 weeks off where presumably he will help out lots including night wakings.

Perhaps you need to seek other alternatives of support such as using family to babysit for a night or two to give you a break to catch up on sleep.

Is his career/skill set specific or is it feasible to find another role that is daytime only?

I hope you have no plans for any more children in the future until you improve your MH a bit.

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 31/05/2022 09:26

Ive brought up the possibility of him seeking another job. It is not received well, shall we say.

Why don't you change your job.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:27

@roarfeckingroarr

Can you elaborate on how I can "better manage my mental health". I engaged with a years worth of therapy with a team that discharged me against my wishes earlier this year because my baby turned 1, I made a phone call to my GP on the very same day to ask for help from elsewhere (more therapy - currently on waiting list), and I'm taking both anti anxiety and antidepressant medication.

Could you please explain what more you'd like me to do?

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stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:28

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 31/05/2022 09:26

Ive brought up the possibility of him seeking another job. It is not received well, shall we say.

Why don't you change your job.

And how would that help?

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MaverickSnoopy · 31/05/2022 09:29

Six of one and half a dozen of the other. Your current situation is not working so you need to find an alternative.

Fwiw I have been in a similar situation myself. DH has always been very work focused and committed. Great but when it comes to my needs (hospital, dentist, illness) he struggles to take time away from work. Its the nature of his industry (childcare) which leaves nothing for work life balance. He's recently relocated in a new location to give us that better balance.

I do think you have jumped the gun in asking for an alternative plan right now, without knowing the outcome of plan A. Although I think you've done that as you don't believe he's actually going to ask.

I would suggest a new conversation whereby you try and work out a plan that suits both of you. Does he like his job? Try and remember that small children and bad sleep doesn't last forever. Perhaps his week off helps him manage the bulk of night wakings.

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:29

Is his career/skill set specific or is it feasible to find another role that is daytime only?

No it's not specific.

Mine is however highly specialised and specific.

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Mally100 · 31/05/2022 09:29

Indoctro · 31/05/2022 09:22

Surely his job is the priority.?

You can't expect his work to be flexible so you don't have to do night waking with your kid

Sorry but I agree with your husband.

Sorry I have to agree with this. He has to change jobs, change shift patterns, do most of the night waking and be held to this by your MH. That is highly frustrating and I can see why he is. I also don't think that you are being that unreasonable too. You both need to work on a better solution where you are both not bound by each other's constraints. Maybe work on the baby's sleep routine?

jaffacakesareepic · 31/05/2022 09:29

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 08:31

I've NC because there's a lot of personal information in this post.

The gist of the problem is I don't feel my DP is massively supportive with helping to maintain a work family balance and sees me as the default childcare, expecting me to fit in with the demands on his job and never have the status quo upset for him with his job.

We have a 1 year old. We both work. My job is a 9-5 with some flexibility around times worked so long as I work my hours. I work 4 days a week. His job is a nightmare - FT, long shifts, unsociable hours inc evenings and nights and weekends. We have lots of arguments about how his job impacts on me and means I end up with the bulk of the childcare around my own job (we have no family support so I'm very much solo when he's not around to help).

Last night we spoke about this yet again, because he has recently finished a week of night shifts and has to do more night shifts in July. Nights impact particularly on me because DD doesn't sleep well and sleep deprivation causes a significant deterioration in my MH (DP copes a million times better than I do so he tends to most of the night wakings when I'm at work). We spoke about it a while ago and he agreed to speak to work and try and swap these shifts with colleagues who don't have children (there are usually people willing to swap as they get a week off after a week of nights). Last night I asked if he had made progress with trying to swap these shifts. He said not yet but he's asked a few colleagues. I said what's the plan if they all say no - he said I don't know. I said could you speak to your manager to see if there's any flexibility given the situation?

He then snapped at me saying "what would you do if you were a single mum? You'd have to just get on with it". I said yes but I'm not. And there's no need to snap, I'm only asking what the plan is if no one can take your night shifts.

This is part of an ongoing problem where DP hates to "rock the boat" at work - he'd rather let me and the family down than ask for support or flexibility with his manager at work. He puts work and their priorities first, all the time. He often isn't even willing to ask at work what can be done to support his family situation.

I said I don't feel that you are supporting me here; you seem annoyed by me raising this. He said yes, he is annoyed, because he doesn't want to sacrifice his week off after his July night shifts, because it precedes 2 weeks of annual leave and it would mean he got 3 consecutive weeks off. Now he will only get 2 weeks off. I said Ok, but we need to work this out as a family and what we all need, not just what you want (ie 3 weeks off). My MH could decline quite significantly with that week of nights on my own, and I might end up off work sick. But as long as you get your 3 weeks off? Seems a bit selfish.

He then said "don't say I don't support you - I took time off work when you got admitted to hospital". Two weeks after giving birth I got admitted to an MBU in an mental health crisis situation. He referenced the fact he came home from work and asked for a few extra days off on top of his paternity leave, as an example of how he supports me. I was a bit stunned tbh. He thinks this is worthy of special mention? Isn't this just what any loving partner would do? I wouldn't hesitate to ask for time off work if he was admitted to a hospital, especially 2 weeks postnatally. Maybe I'm unreasonable there and should feel grateful, who knows ...

Also, by raising the MBU experience he's rehashed a lot of trauma that I have tried to bury. I drove to work this morning with it all whirling round my mind. He knows mentioning this is triggering for me.

Who is unreasonable? Is this my problem?

I'm willing to accept AIBU if that's the majority opinion. Please, please just find a way to say it as nicely as possible. I'm not in a good place. 🙁

To be honest I would be inclined to ask him how he would cope if he was a single dad as it appears he seems happy to treat you like a single mother when he can only have a family and work this job by having a wife to do all the running around.

That said did you not at least talk about his job before having kids? We couldnt have a family but when we were trying i discussed this with my dh who worked very unpredictable hours and we agreed he would go down to four days so that he wasnt a completely absent father during the week. He didnt get the bonus of a week

Yabu to expect his colleagues/boss to give him the best shifts though simply because he has a child. Some jobs are not very family friendly just through the nature of the job, if that doesnt work for him maybe he needs to change job

ILoveCreamCrackersMe · 31/05/2022 09:30

It reads that no matter what people are saying, you'll find keep finding ways to put your time and job type on a pedestal above his.

Your gonna have to learn to cope with some level of stress and aggro. Nothing is ever going to be 100% fair for either side with young children.

PaddingtonBearStareAgain · 31/05/2022 09:30

stressedmum22 · 31/05/2022 09:28

And how would that help?

Well you say ut is keeping you awake and is mentally draining.

You are wanting him to change his, prehaps you should change yours.

whowhatwerewhy · 31/05/2022 09:31

I think it's you , sorry.
All he can do is ask if someone wants to swop .

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