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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To want my friend to move out

167 replies

ImNotBossyImtheBoss · 30/05/2022 17:25

My friend of 20 years, Christine, has lived (lodged?) with me and my husband for the last 5 years. At the beginning we needed the extra money for the mortgage, we are both good friends with Christine and the set up worked well for us all.

The last 5 years have been intense, Christine became very physically unwell and her mental health suffered as a result, we supported her through this. (She has no living family, which is very relevant, we are her support network.) We all went through lockdowns etc. together.

Last year my husband and I had a baby, so now we have a lovely one year old DD. I have found it hard being both her support system and caring for my DD. Additionally she works shifts and trying to keep a baby quiet around someone sleeping in the day is stressful!

In general she is a happy, helpful addition to our household but I'm starting to feel a bit done with having another person about the place. However I would feel horrendous kicking her out. After such a long time this is very much her home too, I know she doesn't want to live alone or with strangers. I don't think our friendship would be the same if I asked her to leave, and I would miss her.

An aside: she has also never babysat our daughter, which she is well placed to do as she sees her everyday! We've asked twice but she said she'd prefer not, which I understand, we decided to have a baby knowing we don't have a support system nearby. But it's also sad when it's been over a year and you just want your friend to give you one night out with your spouse!

I would just like her to not be here half the time! (Reading it, I can see IABU, she isn't a friend to be there only when it's convenient to me.)

She pays a going rate to lodge with us, and this is set up as her permanent address re. electoral roll, bills, etc. I.e. this is not a casual living arrangement.

OP posts:
DFOD · 02/06/2022 08:29

ImNotBossyImtheBoss · 02/06/2022 04:41

We talked, agreed it was for best and agreed a move out deadline in a couple of months.

It went more smoothly than we imagined so obviously it's been on Christine's mind too.

Feel like I've kicked a puppy, but also a massive weight has been lifted. The situation wasn't sustainable and now the end is in sight.

That’s a great outcome. I am glad for you that it went smoothly. But she is not a kitten , she is a grown woman who has been hugely supported physically and emotionally by you for at least 5 years which has allowed her to grow and recover and seems to be functioning well in the world holding down a job. She is stronger than think. Yourself, your baby and little family unit are much more now. Enjoy that.

knowinglesseveryday · 02/06/2022 08:40

I think your friend has been better at maintaining boundaries than you have. Helping and supporting is one thing, but you've been over accommodating in your own home. The trick now is to see it through, and to keep the atmosphere pleasant at the same time whilst she goes through the hassle of finding somewhere else. People with mental health issues can often be a bit selfish, as they are so focused on trying to meet their own needs. That's fine, but your job is to do the same for you and your child.

HowManyDaysReally · 02/06/2022 08:42

** We've asked twice but she said she'd prefer not, which I understand, we decided to have a baby knowing we don't have a support system nearby. But it's also sad when it's been over a year and you just want your friend to give you one night out with your spouse!
I would just like her to not be here half the time! (Reading it, I can see IABU, she isn't a friend to be there only when it's convenient to me.) **

No but then you're expected to look after her? Take care of her needs as her 'only support system'. It feels a lot is being asked of you.

Nanny0gg · 02/06/2022 08:46

Tandora · 31/05/2022 09:37

This is the crux of the problem- people (including OP it seems , aren’t understanding this)- If she pays full market rent it’s her home. Tenants have rights. OP is her landlord but as long as friend is paying rent it’s her home.

She's a lodger, not a tenant which gives her fewer rights.

Nanny0gg · 02/06/2022 08:49

ImNotBossyImtheBoss · 02/06/2022 04:33

We've decided to go with granny annex option

Eh?

But you said she's moving out?

BadLad · 02/06/2022 08:55

Nanny0gg · 02/06/2022 08:49

Eh?

But you said she's moving out?

Whoosh

Chamomileteaplease · 02/06/2022 08:56

Ditto Nanny!

I don't get it. I can't remember if you said you already have a granny annex, presumably you aren't going to build one??

So this woman who you want to get away from will still be on your property??

Please explain further your decisions 😀

ImNotBossyImtheBoss · 02/06/2022 09:04

Joking about the granny annex....

OP posts:
Dontjudgeme101 · 02/06/2022 09:15

So, is she staying then??

Nanny0gg · 02/06/2022 09:31

BadLad · 02/06/2022 08:55

Whoosh

Clearly!

Nanny0gg · 02/06/2022 09:31

ImNotBossyImtheBoss · 02/06/2022 09:04

Joking about the granny annex....

Thick moment today!

Astralis · 02/06/2022 09:37

Well done. I hope it all goes smoothly.
Be aware that you might now start to feel guilty, but that's natural.
You can still be friends.

youdroppedthis · 02/06/2022 10:09

I disagree that you are being unreasonable. Having a home with your family is vitally important. There's whole books about needing one's own space.

I can see why she believes this is her home but a lodge arrangement is never permanent, and it is not her home, it's yours.

I can only see two reasons she has not periodically reviewed the situation (each 6 months you'd check in I reckon)

She genuinely cannot perceive that a husband wife and child need their own home.

She desperately hopes you will never bring it up (ie she is taking the piss)

Sitting down to have an honest chat about where she sees her life going; husband, kids? Own home? Or is she expecting to grow old with you guys? (don't you think that's extremely presumptuous? I do)

If she treats you differently or stops being your friend because you want your home back then I genuinely think that's all down to her.

Is there a way to approach this without her being hurt? If not, you're just going to have to bite the bullet.

Ask again about how to put it to her, read all the replies, formulate a best attempt at not hurting her, and go for it I say! Get your home back.

zingally · 02/06/2022 10:39

How old is this woman? 30s? Surely old enough to stand on her own two feet, without you and your DH stepped into the "mummy and daddy" role.

If she's got the money to pay you the going rate for a room, she shouldn't have any problem finding an equivalent room elsewhere? Even in my mid-sized town, I see plenty of adverts for "quiet professional lodger wanted".

That being said, I'd be inclined to give her a fairly lengthy notice period... say 3 months? Would you be willing to help her transition? Eg, helping her find flat listings or whatever?

SpritzingAperol · 02/06/2022 13:32

You all sound like decent people. It's been sorted . onwards and upwards. Love it when boring old 'reasonableness' ( so unmumsnetty and drama free ) comes into play.

Onwards and upwards.

Robin233 · 02/06/2022 13:48

Lovely outcome.
Sounds like the friendship will endure.

MargosKaftan · 04/06/2022 15:48

Sounds like a good outcome.

The babysitting thing was annoying though as she wouldn't sit for you (fair enough), but her being there would create a strange atmosphere if you hired a babysitter to sit in the living room with her while you went out in case the baby woke up. Making her share her evening with someone else would be odd. So by refusing to babysit, it stopped the OP and her DH going out together. Hopefully her moving out will mean its easier for you and your DH to have date nights, as you can actually get a babysitter in now!

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