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To cut DD off?

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BrokenToy · 30/05/2022 07:27

DD is 18 (just). She’s been living pretty much at her boyfriend’s house for months now.

She informed me the other week that she doesn’t live at home anymore and so we’d have to pay her to babysit/dog sit for our weekend away. Weekend away had been booked for over a year. We were left with no choice but to stump up cash (we were already paying for a takeaway for her and the BF) or lose hundreds of pounds of concert tickets/hotel.

She sent me a text on Saturday about needing new jeans. I didn’t respond. She then phoned me yesterday screaming down the phone that I’m abusive and neglectful and leaving her without clothes. Two weeks ago I gave her £50 to buy summer clothes for the holiday we are taking her on in July. She is constantly asking for small bits of cash here and there (tampons, printer credit for college, things like that that she knows we won’t say no to) and DH and I have just realised this adds up to £155 so far this month…

I’m done. I’m about ready to say fine, you’ve moved out, no more monthly bus pass, pocket money, clothes, takeaways. She works five hours a week and could work more. She smokes and drinks. She’s using us purely as a bank and only contacts us when she needs a top up. I also really really don’t want to take her on holiday but that’s a sunk cost and at least it’s AI so she won’t be asking for cash.

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MercurialMonday · 30/05/2022 10:08

She may be 18 but is still in full time education - then yes I do think it's unreasoanable to just cut her off.

However I think it' clear the money is really not the issue - it's the lack of relationship and perhaps the apparent benevolence of BF parents who do seem to be unhelpful to OP managing/repairing her relationship with her DD.

So maybe a budget a month and no discusion beyond that - and perhaps changing the locks - so she can't have it both ways living there and not however the risk is that pushes her further away ideally it will be a series of conversations but if DD won't have one - drawing boundries may be only way forward.

Sushi7 · 30/05/2022 10:08

Reading other PP comments got me thinking about why your relationship broke down. You mention babysitting. How many dc do you have and how old are they? Do they all have the same dad? Did your relationship breakdown after your youngest dc was born - I’m guessing there is a younger dc if you want Dd to babysit?

Fraaahnces · 30/05/2022 10:08

This is the second time you have asked this, only you haven’t gone into as much detail about how truly nasty your DD is to you. I remember your first thread and there advice was overwhelmingly in favour of cutting her off.

DrBlackbird · 30/05/2022 10:08

The OP’s DD may be more than a ‘stroppy teen’.

A friend’s 18 yr old DD sounds v similar and there the issue is complicated by the DD having ASD. She exhibits a troubling combination of rigid thinking and strong sense of what comes across as self absorbed entitlement coupled with an limited ability to see or comprehend her parent’s perspective.

She too has an ability to charm everyone else. Only the mother is on the receiving end of the abuse. From an outsider view, this DD’s expectations that whatever she wants she should get is breathtakingly narcissistic. The anger at being told ‘no’ is genuine. But it’s more than that.

I will add that both my friend and the DF demonstrate some ASD traits as well (interestingly she too uses that phrase ‘I’m done’) so it’s unfortunate but entirely understandable that the conflict is ongoing.

Any chance that ASD might be an issue here OP?

dontgobaconmyheart · 30/05/2022 10:09

I moved out at 18 in similar circumstances and it didn't occur to me that my mum would fund my lifestyle. I worked evenings and weekends and bought my own clothes etc. Mum sent the money for travel and college books but nothing else (since she didn't have it anyway) and I'd have very obviously not minded going 'home' briefly to look after what ultimately is the family dog, even if I couldn't be bothered. Hardly a huge concession.

I would just find a local dog sitter for the future OP and remove her from that equation. I wonder if she will be annoyed at losing the opportunity of easy money. College financial support is fair enough but tantrums and entitlements over expensive jeans and the gall to then charge your parents to dog sit the family dog when it was pre-agreed, aren't.

CHiSOCG · 30/05/2022 10:09

I feel like I remember your last post (I’ve not looked it up). She was very cruel to you OP.

LaurieFairyCake · 30/05/2022 10:10

I'd pay for her bus fare to college and that's it

I would send her a text saying that you won't put up with anymore abuse from her and block her

I'd make up a bag of shopping for her food (I wouldn't give boyfriends mum money as she will just give it to her) and give it to her when she does her washing.

I'd change the locks so she can't come in (she may start stealing from you as she's so angry). I'd tell her she can come and do her washing at set/supervised times (always have her dad there with you in case she kicks off)

Eventually she will stop being a dick Flowers - it takes some of these little fuckers years to do so

bestbefore · 30/05/2022 10:11

I think you need to think about your long term relationship with her, if you want one you shouldn't cut her off. She's young and obviously being very selfish and silly about how she treats you. If she was at home full time she might well be the same. Maybe try and spell it out to her and say you already give her x, y and z (all totally normal and generous) but that there's not any more spare cash. That you don't want to keep falling out over money but that you want to still be on good terms with her? Put it back on her a bit and say you feel upset when all she does is ask for money?
I bet you miss her not being at home, I have a 19 year old and I know I would. Sympathies OP - bet none of this is in the manual! Cake

Fraaahnces · 30/05/2022 10:11

This is the second thread you have posted about this, but you haven’t gone into as much detail about how much money she demands or how very nasty she is to you. The responses last time were overwhelmingly in favour of cutting her off.

youdroppedthis · 30/05/2022 10:18

I don't see how cutting her off is fair. You're the one who raised her? You had the most influence over her life, right? This attitude doesn't just pop up out of nowhere. Is she suddenly using drugs?

If not, then I really feel you are partly to blame for the way she has turned out if she was still at home and it wouldn't be fair to cut her off, that's very extreme.

You need to sit down and reconnect with your child, and get on a level with her like only a parent can.

Regularsizedrudy · 30/05/2022 10:18

“When we booked concert tickets we asked DD to be at home (the home she lives in, not that weird of an ask?) “

“She hasn’t stayed at home for more than a night at a time for nearly a year.”

???

Tickledtrout · 30/05/2022 10:24

Your son will be supported by student finance. Your daughter is still your financial responsibility.
You need to take a step or two back and work on your relationship with your daughter. Why so chippy about the boyfriend's mum 'gushing' about your daughter. You should agree she's all that and more. Where's the love and pride?
She's lucky she has a supportive other family to keep her but she's your daughter. You have work to do on that relationship

ElsieMc · 30/05/2022 10:26

I suspect, like other pp's there is a whole lot more to this. I am not criticising you op, because I went through very similar but we forgave and supported our dd and it made matters much, much worse. We found the more we did and tried to make things right, the less respect she had for us and more she wanted. In the end it was all consuming and when she left, leaving her baby boy with us, it felt like all the tension had gone. I must emphasise that we had put up with several years of terrible behaviour.

She got a house, but it was shortlived, she was evicted and came back home pregnant again at seventeen and in denial. I wont go into any more detail other than to say we were left to bring her two boys up and we had to spend thousands getting residence orders. I wont even mention the horror of the violent thug father.

She eventually married and seemed settled but she decided she did not love her dh and is now back in a cycle of poor behaviour. This is a polite description. I have decided not to see her because it destroys us.

I think you could sort this op, but please be firm. Basic necessities I would always help out with but her demand for payment for dog sitting is ridiculous and disrespectful. She has the upper hand because she is being facilitated by her bf and his parents. My dd spun awful tales about us and I even doubted myself. But it was the other way around I am afraid.

Onwards22 · 30/05/2022 10:28

This, I left home at 16 and was legally financially cut off.

How did you pay your rent, food, bills etc?

I left home at 17 but this was when you could go out and get a job.

A 17 year old is now legally required to stay in FT education so it’s not possible to get a FT job or benefits therefore it’s up to the parents to provide.

notanothertakeaway · 30/05/2022 10:28

Swayingpalmtrees · 30/05/2022 08:23

She is barely eighteen, she has no access to benefits because she is in college full time, she is entirely dependent on another family to house and feed her (I assume op is not contributing, I am sure we would know if she was) Although they clearly draw the line at clothing her. Op is not even prepared to do that.

If something goes awry with that relationship she could end up homeless, the power balance in a teen relationship like that would worry me greatly. She is struggling at college so much she failed her first year. We have no idea how op has treated her child, we only hear about screaming - but I very much doubt it is one sided, it never is.

Would you wholesale hand over your mothering, parenting and financial responsibility for your child to another family without a backward glance? Something is deeply wrong with this situation beyond what op is telling us.

Leaving the family home at such a young age smacks of desperation to me.

I agree with @Swayingpalmtrees

40andlols · 30/05/2022 10:29

As she's at college i'd work out costs for bus, college materials, maybe a phone contract, £30 a week for basic food and send her that in a standing order so you're doing your part supporting her. But tell her that it's her job to budget that.

Any additional requests "I have paid your keep for the month. I won't be sending any more but it would be nice to meet for a coffee when you're free"

Unless you're really struggling financially in which case I imagine you've lost income (tax credits etc.) now she's moved out and may not have the cash. She'll need that explained to her.

40andlols · 30/05/2022 10:31

I can't work at the moment (health) and if my dd left home I'd lose all financial support for her so she'd have no choice but to stand on her own two feet. It doesn't sound like that's your situation though op so i do think you need to support her in a fairly formal way

BuddhaAtSea · 30/05/2022 10:31

Cut her off? No, but I would put firm boundaries in place.
‘There are tampons in your bathroom’
’call me when you’ve stopped throwing your toys out of the pram’
’Send me a link and I’ll buy you the textbook/paper/ink etc’
’We’re having a family get together on Saturday, you’re welcome to join us’.
And just don’t engage.
Mine doesn’t live with me either. I offered to buy her trainers, funnily enough, just last week, she works as a waitress, she needs proper comfortable shoes. She’s not interested. Her passport expired and I sent her a link for online renewal, saying I’m happy to pay for it (in our case, it’s not for holidays, really, all my family lives abroad, we need it), I didn’t even get a reply. She wants a kitten. She wants ME to buy her a kitten. Nah.

PeekAtYou · 30/05/2022 10:31

You should support her until she completes year 13 but it's ok for that support to be different to the way it is now.

I'd be paying phone and bus pass plus an allowance (child benefit amount?) so she can buy printer credits. It's not unreasonable to expect her part-time job (£200) to pay for clothes and going out. £200pm is more than some adults spend and if she wants to save money then she can stop smoking.

She can't just demand money on demand and treat you like a cash machine.

Swayingpalmtrees · 30/05/2022 10:32

What is so striking about this thread is the huge class divide.

I grew up in a working class family, it was not unusual to be thrown out at 15/16 (for being 'rude' usually) and left to defend for yourself, most like op's dd moved out on their own at 17/18 and failed pretty spectacularly as no one taught us how to budget, cook, about the dangers of loans and credit cards. It was a really rough and sometimes frightening introduction to life. Higher education is seen as largely irrelevant at best, a waste of time and money. There is a deep rooted sense of why should a parent fund 'an adult'. As money is hard to come by, it becomes the root of most arguments and the battleground. It is deployed as a method of control. You will soon be hungry enough to bow down to this family, and scrape up some gratitude whilst you are down there.

To say this kind of girl starts life with everything stacked against her is an absolute understatement. She can be dragged into equally damaging and controlling relationships, find herself pregnant at a young age (no guidance whatsoever on contraception beyond the cursory school mandate) and pregnancy has its perks, at least that way she doesn't end up homeless. They are the same girls that are exploited for sex, drug trafficking and worse. They are too young, too vulnerable to be out in the world full of predators without their parents support, and are sometimes very quickly taken advantage of due to the naivety and lack of experience that is normal in this age group. We always see the posts claiming that pp managed at 16 on their own wit, but there is always always a sacrifice, many sacrifices, a loss of education and opportunity, the loss of time to grow up, to be carefree. The losses are amassing but as long as you didn't starve that counts for success - and it really does.

I looked on at the middle class kids with their loving parents, their way being smoothed by love, support and generosity. They are carefully nurtured and expected to do well and go to university, to be financially supported without a hint of 'having to pay back your dues' until their early twenties.
They don't have to worry where the next tampon is coming from, or whether their shoes are falling off their feet.
The kind of bubble of love that I could only dream about. I was green with envy at their life, not for the material goods it offered, but for the unconditional support and love that was given without question. No sense of being cut off/set adrift for your 'own good'. Of course MC teens are just as rude and difficult as WC teens but the MC parents see it as par of the course, WC parents always see it as 'disrespect' and react with real anger sometimes. There are many many WC families that will offer their children the same support and love of course, and many MC that let their children down. But this difference in values and mindset, the striking difference between every post could not go unmentioned. The 'she made her bed' posts versus the 'she is just a child' ones are equally impassioned and equally polar opposite in their views.

Op is in the 'she made her bed' camp, and I doubt she will ever believe that she should be fully supporting her child until she leaves full time education, why should she? She is 18 now and on her own. It starts and ends with that deep rooted mindset. That is why a meal and tampons become a privilege, and it is also the source of outrage from her daughter. Why can't she have parents that actually look after and care about her like other children....and so it goes on for another generation.

EL8888 · 30/05/2022 10:32

I would cut her loose. She sounds like an entitled brat lm afraid. The dog sitting incident and demands for £60 for Levi’s says it all. If she wants to move out then she needs to pay for that. For the record l would love a double room with an en-suite!

2bazookas · 30/05/2022 10:35

I'd make sure the dog is vaccinated and book it into a good kennels for your holiday. Otherwise she's going to escalate her demands close to departure date.
I'd also change the locks so she and BF can't use your empty house for a rave party. Then I'd close her account at the bank of Mum and Dad.

SarahSissions · 30/05/2022 10:35

Pay a professional dog sitter. It’ll be cheaper than her

Pinkbasketcase · 30/05/2022 10:36

Whats wrong with your daughter asking for a bits here and there?

Her attitude needs checked and boundaries placed but hardly the right to cut her off? That's bizarre 😳

WildCoasts · 30/05/2022 10:38

Onwards22 · 30/05/2022 10:28

This, I left home at 16 and was legally financially cut off.

How did you pay your rent, food, bills etc?

I left home at 17 but this was when you could go out and get a job.

A 17 year old is now legally required to stay in FT education so it’s not possible to get a FT job or benefits therefore it’s up to the parents to provide.

I'm not the poster you directed the question at but I was in a similar situation at a similar age. I was also academically capable so went to university where I got a little financial support from the government. That tied me over until I got married a year later. 😁