Part 6 keeping it civil - the Depp Heard jury is out

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4556643-part-5-aibu-to-want-15-minutes-fame-depp-v-heard

hoping we can continue to discuss without unpleasantness - so far so good.

Well I'm less pro JD using the televised trial to put his side across. Because I feel that's an act of abuse itself and he knew what a shit storm he was inviting. I do believe his team have been actively embedding some of the anti Heard sentiment. But I appreciate we don't all agree and I don't think anyone is less intelligent or less able to follow the trial for thinking differently - we just have our own experiences and interpretation.

I don't think I've wavered too far from thinking he was responsible for abusive behaviour, how far into her version of all events I'm prepared to believe is difficult. Not even 75%. I think he can't remember which is why he's adamant he isn't. And I think there may be elements of exaggeration and fantasy in some of what she says. But without any actual understanding of their relationships , the tapes and texts only go so far. You'd need the whole thing taped really.

Completely agree. I found Dr Speigal and Dr Hughes quite unprofessional in their demeanour.

It was odd and actually I found it quite alarming. You can have two medical experts with qualifications, board certifications and years and years of experience, however, if you dig just under the surface there are legitimate questions. One expert didn't complete the tests properly and the other made a diagnosis based on watching movies and reading third party documentation. We are talking about peoples mental health and the correct diagnosis is key to effective treatment plans. I wouldn't want to go anywhere near either one of those if my mental health was suffering. Ironically, the expert without a board certification was the one who came across more professional and knowledgeable.

The public can be brutal, I think sometimes it's not even about the content, it's about them, the posters of these memes and video's trying to outdo one another for likes, airtime and wanting followers.

Everyone wants their five minutes of fame, and this will die off just as the hate with Alice Evans did, it will just take time. Although I find it quite telling that Ioan Gruffud has accused Alice of doing the same thing as Amber, as he says making lies up and threats, couldn't he just have kept his trap shut. I do think some men may use this as bench stick for not taking responsibility for their actions.

I do think Johnny will never want to speak another word about it, regardless of the outcome, not sure about Amber though.

@StormzyinaTCup Yes, I think if anything, this trial has shown that expert opinions can be easily bought and based on what will make your side win the case, rather than the actual truth. I do wonder, from a medical perspective, if this is symptom of a healthcare system that's primary objective is profit rather than citizen health. I may be being naive, but I just can't imagine professionals being able to stand up in a UK court and provide expert testimony that is so clearly bias and in breach of ethical standards.

Eh....

in no way equivalent.

He cant even look at her.

Hes done what he wanted to do.

I'm sure she will bring out a book.

The worst expert witness for me was Julian Ackert the metadata one. I have seen the originals but I’m not going to provide them and the visual different photographs but the same time photographs. Psychology at least can have different opinions the metadata should be straight forward. More concerning this was the same firm used by the sun.

So Prince Andrew and Harvey Weinstein committed vile acts and there's not the outpouring of vitriol, AH's crime is to (allegedly) lie about it and gets a total shit show.

@Sozzler it seems to be everyone really does have a price. Whether this goes on in U.K. courts I would like to think not but who knows what goes on behind closed court doors.

Crackpot relationship with varying levels of abuse (direct or reactionary) and indescrations on both sides, no doubt.

AH has made a meal of this though. Repeatedly lied or embellished the truth. It is obvious that she is controlling of behaviour and the narrative. Classic narc.

Both of them are no angels, but there really is only one real villain here, and she's been found out.

@Sozzler im in the middle of a trial and have been examined by medical experts, the defence's expert has ignored a lot of what I have told him, twisted what I have said and ignored medical records- his report is clearly biased. I'm in the UK.

I was on a jury for a criminal trial, the instructions at the beginning were if you believe someone is lying you can either ignore the part with the lie or you can ignore all their testimony. Recall recollection is always going to be difficult even if sober so contradictions and mistakes are expected.
Amber has lied about donated money, photographs and I didn’t need the TMZ guy as she admitted in her previous testimony. All of these lies make me think less of her as a character but I would still not discount all her other testimony. I can except both would lie to protect themselves.
That changed with the sexual abuse with the bottle, the descriptions, the injuries, the timeline and the audio that the jury didn’t get to hear. But also Ben King’s testimony. I strongly don’t believe that incident and that changes all her testimony in my eyes because if I can believe she lied about that she can lie about anything and is capable of anything.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/rebekah-vardy-claims-trolls-posted-19307838.amp

Rebekah Vardy mentioned the same thing in 2020 , r there 2 sick people out there threatening same thing or did she just lie and take her story?

Does anyone know if the jury has the voice recordings in full?

I started listening last night and about 5 hours in (I'm injured from a horse fall to sleep is difficult) and my god, listening to everything there is far more than even presented in court. Really fills in the gaps leading up to and after incidents and conversations between them about previous incidents.

How long before social media calms down if and for me that is a really strong possibility that Amber wins. The jury instructions and the rules about defamation do seem to favour her case regardless of all the testimonies. Not expecting much in terms of damages but social media and the press will yet again be very divided.

From Varsity/University of Cambridge Magazine

Misogyny cannot be a tool, even towards cruel women, because to respect women as humans means to always judge them as humans - for good and for bad - not to grant them a temporary human-card until they lose points and morph back into whores and liars.

Testimonies of sexual assault, even if you decide they are false, should never be treated as a joke. People might think they are mocking only Heard, but they are actually showing women all around the world what people might do with their most vulnerable points if trial by popular opinion doesn’t go their way.

Heard and Depp are a cautionary tale of what happens when we lose respect. By conducting an extremely public trial regarding their most private moments, they let the public detach the discussion from the grave matters at hand and turn them into the cruelest, most vapid gossip. And all is fair in love and gossip - or so Depp fans think.

By treating the case as a hero-villain movie, the media has revealed its craving to see women cast as manipulative liars, and the recklessness with which they will treat any case that might seem to fit that genre. More than we need justice for Depp or for Heard, we need more respect, thought, and human decency in the way in which we watch people’s lives

The key point for me there being:

we need more respect, thought, and human decency in the way in which we watch people’s lives

As those mocking heard there are those who openly now call Depp a rapist, that is now something that will never leave Depp or his children. A mark that even if most do not believe will still do extreme damage to a person, to the point of ultimate self harm. These are the fall outs from the trial, questions asked that could never be answered in a defamation trial.

Hi greyhop feel free to say no! Would it be possible to add quotation marks or similar so I know if I'm replying to your thoughts or commenting on extracts from an article? I haven't really replied to you as I'm not sure what you/articles and I don't want to appear rude.

U say this, but then suggest the media have been on amber side in a way saying as the media I think u used Guardian as example as a way we should belive media as it says she is victim , u can't have it both ways.
When a person does something unthinkable they are rightly called out. To me amber is lying. In my eyes she is ruining the life of a man calling him a abuser and rapist, that isn't a small thing. It's truly despicable. I think there is a line for example people getting children involved in mocking her in trial but she deserves the hate. Obviously not death threats or threats to put her baby in microwave which I do not belive for a second as I belive she copied Rebeka Verdy from the newspaper article I put up thread.

The whole depp fans .....seriously u belive everyone who disbelives amber and belives she is lying and ruining a man must be a depp fan 🙄

Anyone watching the trial see with their own eyes, her lying on stand, her really unprofessional experts, her photos not being reliable as she choose not to put metadata in trial even thou she was court ordered and depp did! (I wonder why that it!) The explaining a horrific 'incident' to her face and then showing a picture of bruise on her arm and no face injuries! Saying on stand she has mountin of evidence and her lawyers hasn't put in trial! (Like seriously suggesting her lawyers are not putting in the evidence?!)

I'm not a depp or heard fan. I liked him a lot as Wonka - he is unrecognisable now, I didn't realise how much time has passed! I saw Heard in Acquaman but didn't know it was her, she was just in it.
I was probably ambivalent or positive about Depp? It's been weird to reconcile that with the texts and substance abuse (to that level). And uncomfortable to see the photos etc.
I don't think everyone supporting his version is a mad fan who won't hear of it. It's interesting how strongly we all feel though!

She also saying everyone who has said the opposite of what she has said is lying and perjuring themselves ! Like multiple people! Including professionals like police who came to her apartment, tmz guy, man who worked at hicksville , it's not just do u believe depp or amber its do u belive depp and the loads of people or amber.