Part 6 keeping it civil - the Depp Heard jury is out

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hoping we can continue to discuss without unpleasantness - so far so good.

I also just rewatched that video twice and they seem to be having two different conversations. She is saying one thing and he is talking about something else and trying to figure out what she is talking about. The conversation happening in the video doesn't make a lot of sense. She also seems to be trying to catch him saying things so she can get it on video - she asks about if he drank the whole bottle. Also after rewatching it in the video, he is upset but he is in full control. He isn't just randomly smashing things. He slams the cupboard doors when getting a glass out and something breaks but it isn't clear what. He is steady on his feet and very able to pour himself a glass of wine.

She moves the camera and then uses her cup to try and block him from seeing the phone filming him but he sees it shortly after.

After rewatching it a couple times, I don't think his actions in that clip are abusive. They are not directed at her in any way. He is just slamming cupboard doors because he is upset with life events - not with her and none of it is directed at her in any way. He isn't even arguing with her. She clearly isn't scared and puts herself very close to him.

Out of everyone, this man's testimony stands out to me

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Genuine emotion whereas she (the actress) couldn’t even produce a tear

I knew this already. His other eye isn't great either, plus apparently he has tinnitus.

If your partner was blind in one eye, would they see a punch or slap incoming? Would you even do it and say "I didn't punch you, I slapped you, don't be such a baby"

My late dad had tinnitus most of his life and so does my DH. It causes frustration and grumpiness and they can't hear that well either.

People watching the jury say some are definitely for Johnny

I am watching JDs testimony right at the beginning which I didn't realise I had missed.

I have just heard two audiotapes. One where she says after you beat me up you asked me to stay in Australia. another where he is telling her off as lily Rose heard her being abusive to her. She says I could show them the bruises and the broken blood vessel under my eye and the bruises nose. She says I could tell my side with the pulled hair and the busted lip. At no point did JD argue with this or deny it. In the second tape he seems to point out his own injuries and says he could show his daughter those.

I know his argument is he has to placate her, any arguing means she flies off. But surely if someone accuses you of something as terrible as that you would instantly deny it if it didn't happen and an what the f*k would be said. Yet, he does not disagree at any point. Surely this is an acknowledgment that of what she says. His only response is to point out his own injuries.

That's evidence of abuse, be it on both sides right there.

Who buys someone a knife they are acusing of being abusive. She tripped herself up on almost everything.

I tear up watching a soppy tv advert.

Watching her I felt no emotion or empathy towards her at all. Nada.

Were these audio tapes played in the trial?

The problem with audio tapes is they could be edited. I don’t know whether it’s possible for a tech person to establish that.

@mummyrocks1 Didn't he admit to accidently knocking heads with her during a physical altercation that she instigated? I think this was meant to have happened the day before the James Corden show and left bruising (which is consistent with what AH's make-up artist testified, i.e., light bruising). I'm not sure when the recording you are referring to is from, but could she have been talking about injuries from that incident?

Yes he did sozzler. Not sure of the timing but if you are right, she claimed he punched her in the face multiple times and broke her nose before that show

Thanks for the new thread 💜

I think part of the recording was before that show yes. He claims an accident in self defence. But he doesn't deny it when she says he beat her. He doesn't deny it when she says she could show bruises.

These were heard in the trial in JDs cross examination by AHs team. Right at the start.

Thanks from me too for sharing this.

One of those 3 statements in the Op Ed refers to sexual violence. Do you know whether the jury could in theory find for JD on that statement but not the other 2?

These were heard in the trial in JDs cross examination by AHs team. Right at the start.

Thanks for sharing this.

What does that last sentence even mean?

@mummyrocks1 Thanks, I think I must have missed them too so will take a listen. For me, unless he is actually on there admitting to it, I don't think it is enough to convince me that he was violent. She is on recordings chastising him multiple times for leaving the argument (splitting) when she gets physical, she even says he does it during every argument, and these recordings were taken towards the end of their relationship in 2015. He also said he could often never get a word in edgeways (which I think comes across in a lot of the recordings I've heard) and that it was better to placate her and not challenge her on things. Also, if he is under the influence, he may not respond to the things she says in a logical way. Personally, I don't feel his lack of denial during a recorded argument is enough evidence that he was physically abusive as there could be several reasons why he may not challenge the things she is saying at that specific time.

One of those 3 statements in the Op Ed refers to sexual violence. Do you know whether the jury could in theory find for JD on that statement but not the other 2?

I asked the question above. Looking on Twitter a Canadian lawyer who has been attending the trial daily so following it all v closely tweeted a likely outcome is JD wins one of the 3 statements. This therefore has answered my question above.

I would say and it could apply to both sides, it hard to deny something with someone who has built their own truth. We all have probably had someone in varying degrees we do/did that with. The person who is so rigid in their opinions or recollections that any correction leads to an argument. Amber showed this in the hit/punch argument. Not only did she disagree she then tried to humiliate him for daring to disagree. After violence from my mother we all had to pacify her accounts of the night before to avoid another outburst. I wouldn’t form a lack of objection is an admission of truth.

Missed the new thread, I posted on the last thread not realising a new one had been set up.

Amber and Johnny will apparently not be at the verdict

Can't say I blame them, that day is going to be a massive media circus.

Interesting I can't imagine he wouldn't show up if he was confident of winning

I don't think his team are. He may not have done all of the things Amber says but I think most people can be certain some level of physical abuse took place on both sides. Other abusive behaviour took place too on both sides.

They only need to think one incident took place to make a judgement in favour of Amber. I think they can. Imo That's why Camille said you can't just believe one incident took place you have to believe they all did. Which isn't true. But she wanted to plant in the jury's mind that they have to believe it all or nothing. Knowing that it's likely they can't believe everything Amber says.

Btw JD has also lied on the stand. Saying he is a southern gentleman, saying he only had minimal champagne before the Boston flight, saying only Amber uses the word monster about him, that he's in control of his drug/ drink use and doesn't have blackouts and violent behaviour when on binges. Saying he didn't kick her on the Boston flight.

I also personally think he is lying about how his finger got cut off. I believe the hand surgeon that a glass bottle being thrown is not consistent with his injury and there are several references to him saying he cut it off himself. Plus he changed his story.

They both lie.

I also think he's lying about the accidental headbutt wanting us to believe he let her hit him repeatedly with no violence back.

The glass incident - for me the most obvious thing is he was oblivious to pain on drugs and alcohol and deliberately cut it to write on the mirror. Backed up by his previous threats re cutting.