Permanent exclusion-how do I find a new school that will take an excluded child?

[Alwaystoblame]

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How do I go about finding my Dd a new school if she's been permanently excluded? How likely are good schools to take her on in year 10 with an appalling attendance and behaviour record? She's very bright and doing very well academically when are bothers to go to class and do the homework. Attendance in in the 60s for this year. Even when she dies go in she is late and/or truants classes.
I have 2 previous threads about the issues she's having but I wanted to ask specifically about new schools without getting detailed.

The problem is getting her to be anywhere for long enough for any kind of assessment. This is why I thought a PRU would be a good thing for her but school say she doesn't meet the criteria.

Can you enlist her in the military if she is 16?

Seriously?!! They wouldn’t take her

Then those assessing need to adapt, for example, shorter assessments split over several home visits, change the way they are trying to assess her.

If the school aren’t supportive of alternative provision, and a PRU isn’t the only option, you can apply for an EHCP and alternative provision can be provided via that. Also, if DD can’t attend school full time the LA have a statutory duty to provide alternative arrangements.

She wouldn't last a week in the military. She is asthmatic but denies it and won't take her medication and has frequent coughs as a result, vomits when stressed or makes herself vomit, has several common assaults on her record with the police, won't follow instructions, defies authority, lies constantly, won't wear the correct uniform for school and numerous other things that make her totally unsuitable for the military. Although I think a few weeks of a boot camp type thing would do her the world of good. She thinks she has had a very hard life and is proud of herself for coping but she has had a quite privileged life in many ways and certainly isn't coping.

You might look into a residential school for troubled teens.
Some have an outdoor nature theme others have a military theme to them.

Wonder if there is bipolar?

This is the one of the worst and least helpful ideas I've ever seen posted here, and that's pretty impressive.

Firstly, nobody can force or compel someone to join up, and the military isn't there to deal with children who have the level of issues suggested in this thread.
Secondly, and more importantly, in 2 years when the OPs child is 18 she could quite easily be sent to a war zone and never come back. Do you really think that the solution to this (troubled sounding) Childs issues is that?!

People need their own personal epiphany to engage with services. Some will never do this even when fully matured as an adult. Some conditions such as EUPD often but not a.ways lessen as people mature.

The very difficult thing with a MH condition is firstly a person acknowledging they have it and then realising that they are responsible for their own behaviours. No mean feat. I’m no professional but did some voluntary work for quite a while with a MH charity and did consider retraining as a MH nurse at one point.

@Alwaystoblame Have you been in discussion with the local education authority at all as opposed to the school? I have no experience but just wondering if they can assist.

Can you enlist her in the military if she is 16?

this gets trotted out so much. See also sending them to the military instead of jail.
a) why should the military fix society's problems?
b) do you have any idea how competitive it is these days?

Also I'm sure it's a wonderful idea to have emotionally unstable etc young people on bases etc with access to weapons. What on earth could go wrong there?

When I worked with secondary boys with esbd and mh - staff that chose a military style of communication didn’t last.

Military/bootcamp type provision for wayward teams is a big thing in the States. And guess what, its been shown time and time again that it doesn't work for the vast majority of children. Neither neurodiversity, nor poor mental health, nor emotional problems can be "cured" by being forcibly removed from your home and sent to enjoy a load of externally enforced discipline, tough love (punishment), fresh air, drills and hard physical exercise. It didn't work on young criminals in the 60s and it doesn't work on vulnerable young teens (not surprisingly given the cross over bw the 2 groups).

Well she does need to learn some discipline if she wants to join to FBI. She needs structure and boundaries as identified by camhs but her father can't provide those. A couple of weeks of boot camp would do her good. She doesn't present clinically as depressed or anxious or anything else. It's really difficult to know what would be best for her.

Local authority..
Send department... SENDIAS for help with assessments (EHCNA)
Fair Access team - advice on Alternative provision and what the school should be doing so that you know what they should be doing !!
Alternative provision offer is never just PRU, also different therapies etc

Thank you, that's helpful to know. I'll make some calls next week. After a meeting with the head of year and sendco for my autistic Dd today at the same school I'm not feeling too confident in their approach. Reassuring Dd that she is feeling and experiencing the same as most of the other kids in her year minimised her experiences and difficulties. She's a few years lower down so we've time to iron things out. Dd1 is approaching the end of her time at school and needs help to access her potential. It's like it's locked away under all her anger and attitude.

Your daughter seems like an ideal candidate for a PRU, where she will be in tiny groups with teachers experienced at dealing with similar pupils. Can you challenge the refusal to send her to one?

Also ask about a DOS placemt (directed off site) which is short term alternative provision...

I've seen preparation for uniform services courses offered at a college. Not academic but focus on discipline and team working etc - seem directed at kids who struggle in traditional education.

Bullying of people is rife in "boot camp" because collective punishments are A Thing. I would worry about any ND or resistant to authority child of mine who went to the army - their co-boot-campers are as much of a danger to them (if not moreso) than the training staff

I still think a pru sounds the best place I don’t see how she doesn’t fit the criteria. More likely the school lose funding/have to pay for it or something silly.

she’s misbehaving, skipping lessons, violent to others etc all fits most I’ve none who’ve attended a pru be they super smart or struggling.

It really depends on the local authorities policy on alternative provision, because of how much it costs some limit places to those 'at risk of exclusion' though many alternative provision also do 'inclusion' where teachers from the PRU etc actually visit the student in their current school so it's definitely worth ringing the LA and asking them what the school has to do as it is always by school referral unless it's as a result of a permanent exclusion, when it becomes the 6th day statutory provision.

In a possible 9 days of attendance she has done 1 full day I think. She is late most days, has been truant, hasn't done her homework, hasn't stuck to the uniform rules, and has had 4 days off sick. I'm her outside of school life she's been reported missing twice. It's impressive in a very negative way. It will be interesting to see what this week brings!

Her attendance is 60%.

I'm amazed the school haven't referred her for alternative provision, sounds like they aren't getting to the root of all this