Permanent exclusion-how do I find a new school that will take an excluded child?

[Alwaystoblame]

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How do I go about finding my Dd a new school if she's been permanently excluded? How likely are good schools to take her on in year 10 with an appalling attendance and behaviour record? She's very bright and doing very well academically when are bothers to go to class and do the homework. Attendance in in the 60s for this year. Even when she dies go in she is late and/or truants classes.
I have 2 previous threads about the issues she's having but I wanted to ask specifically about new schools without getting detailed.

No news yet, I'm waiting to hear from the HT.

I work within a fair access team. Managed moves are a school - school agreement, it will not have been set up on the basis of your DD emailing the school. It also sounds like current school have 'recinded' the previous permanent exclusion and are seeking an alternative to exclusion with this managed move. Managed moves typically last 6-10 weeks. Your DD will be given 'outcomes' that she will be expected to meet (attendance, behaviour etc) and will be given support at the new school. Should the managed move 'fail' for example because your DD continues with the previous poor behaviour, then she will be expected to return to the previous school, who would possibly at that point seek a referral to alternative provision. Managed moves are reviewed regularly, a lot of paperwork is involved and the child only goes on roll at the new school once the managed move is deemed successful.

I hope that helps you understand the process. Can I ask if she has been permanently excluded from any other school as after 2 permanent exclusions the local authority can discharge their duty to find another school, which is possibly why current school are trying to avoid a permanent exclusion on her record and are seeking alternatives.

Should things deteriorate again and you end up involved, ask the schools about their 14-16 'Fresh Start' programme at local colleges, which can also be used as an alternative provision.

Hi Op, my child was p excluded, so I know what a disaster it is, you have my full sympathies.

On another note, I'm truly astonished at the positivity for PRU's. My child went to one for 2 months until a place could be found for him at another school. The students (using the term lightly) were 100x worse than my child, and wasted no time trying to involve him in their very illegal activities outside of the PRU (and inside at times), we're talking drugs, gangs and knife crime. The staff were basically managing behaviour (badly). He still speaks to some of them and they're dangerous. With hindsight, for us, no education would have been preferable.

It seems PRU's vary, depending on where you live

She starts on Monday at the new school and will have a review mid-September. She has sent me some horrible messages today basically saying that I'm not her mum and I'm not down as a contact at the new school and she's changing her name so she's not got my last name. She's a delight.

Don't panic. She can be 'known as' whatever she wants but would be registered as the name on her birth certificate. As you have parental responsibility you can email the school and ask to be kept up to date with reports etc, it would also give the new school your contact information.

Well, that's silly, you are her mum. I bet you've got some scars or stretch marks to prove it.

Just keep telling her you love her and she'll come round. We lash out at the ones who love us, especially when we are young and angry.

Hang in there.

Should things deteriorate again and you end up involved, ask the schools about their 14-16 'Fresh Start' programme at local colleges, which can also be used as an alternative provision

This sounds like it would be a better option full stop. She would be in a very different environment to school.

Actually it sounds like the best option here would a state boarding school so she was away from her useless sperm donor.

No one has ever mentioned an option of college. I think she needs string structure and college would be too much independence at this point. Boarding school would be fantastic!

I have emailed school and given my contact details and passed on medical information for Dd as she has a chronic condition that her dad says she hasn't got and subsequently she doesn't take the medication she needs because she agrees with her dad.

Just wanted to let you know I've been thinking of you and hope that things will improve. My friend's younger brother was a nightmare in his teens - violent, abusive and angry to the extent she was scared to go home. He dropped out of school aged about 14 despite his mother trying everything possible. He is now a lovely gentle man in his 30s - things fell into place for him when he was about 18 and he managed to turn things around. I met him for the first time a couple of years ago and would never have imagined his past. I really hope that your daughter has a similar revelation and a happy future.

Thank you.
She likes her new school and says the support is better and there's no bullying However she's missed 4 days already and has only been there 9 days 🙄

Make that 4.5 days out of a possible 9. It's not a good start with her attendance. She missed a day the first week and 3.5 days this week. Her attitude is better though as a general thing but I don't think she's done any homework from what I've been told. 4 weeks of the trial left and so far not great. She has a mental health appointment next week and her dad isn't able to take her again so it's been rearranged again. They'll end up discharging her again. Too many agains!

@Alwaystoblame
I feel for you..you must feel so helpless in this. Unfortunately there is no helping those who do not want your help.
Look after yourself. Will come a time when she realises how much you have been doing.

She's missed another day now and wasn't going to go in today either. There's a meeting at the local authority today for all the managed move students and her attendance will be discussed. They might say the trial has failed at this rate.

It's very tough but I think you have to step back and let it fail. I can't actually see what you can do to influence anything much if your DD won't listen to you or attend the new school.

Your daughter's only chance to step up is to realise she has no option but to change her attitude.

Thankfully GCSEs can be retaken at college if she messes up her chances now - which looks likely.

I know it must be incredibly tough to see her making bad decisions and her father not helping the situation at all. I have a challenging DD too and the mental burden of trying to keep her on track is exhausting.

If the managed move is failed, she will be directed back to her previous school. Failing managed moves on attendance alone is quite uncommon, particularly if they think dad is aiding this to happen. Frequent absences with no medical proof would be looked at by the pupil entitlement investigation team and both parents could be fined.
What is the meeting? Managed moves are a school-school agreement and whilst local authorities do monitor them they don't usually get involved in meetings unless the school now have to look at alternative provision rather than a young person going back to the original school.

There's a meeting every 2 weeks with head teachers and the managed move coordinator about all the managed moves. Just an update how are they getting on kind of thing from what I understand.

B

Big sigh. Big drama in the holidays so far involving the police and yet another referral to social services. SS aren't going to do anything. Dd has missed yet another mental health appointment and I expect she will be once again discharged due to not turning up. Her dad is responsible for talking her so he is the one at fault here.
Dd finished the school year with an attendance rate of 60% for the 3 weeks age has done so far at her new school. She says they have agreed to take her on permanently and are disregarding her attendance record. That's probably not true seeing as she has 3 weeks left of the trial. I am being as supportive as possible which is very hard given her attitude and attendance. I am at the point of needing to take a break from all the drama again. She has just ruined a trip away with her behaviour and her siblings have asked me not to let her come on anymore trips with us.

She has just ruined a trip away with her behaviour and her siblings have asked me not to let her come on anymore trips with us.

Hard as it is I think you need to listen to them. Sounds like you and they have put up with her crap for far too long.

There is no chance of her coming away with us again. Her siblings do not deserve to have holidays spoilt because she can't handle the word no. If she was engaging with the mental health team and attending the course they want her to go on and was working towards improving her mental health and behaviour then I'd see how things are nearer the time but she has no intention of doing anything to make herself or her behaviour better so she won't be coming. I'm fed up of spending money on train tickets, accommodation, food, event tickets, attraction tickets only for her to decide not to go or to walk off and it's then a waste of a ticket. I've had a year of this now, wasting money and I'm on benefits and a full-time carer for family so I don't have much money for doing nice things, I have to save and cut back on things for myself to get the dc things. She knows that so she knows how wasteful she is being. There's 2 weeks of the school holidays left and I'm going to put all my focus on my other dc and also show myself some kindness. It was so nice to have her on holiday with us until the drama started.

Did she not get any warnings first? Surely she should have been given a chance to buck her ideas up. I’d be ashamed if I had a child who had been excluded. I would take them to school myself and make them think twice before stepping out of line

It's always a good idea to try reading all the OP's posts before pronouncing judgment.

@Alwaystoblame

Are you able to get refunds on any of the tickets?

You've clearly never been in a desperate situation such as this.