Why the fuck is Boris Johnson still Prime Minister?

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Fucksake. I mean seeing minister after minister wheeled out to defend the indefensible in the media rounds. Do they have no shame? Prattling on about how it was an 'essential part of leadership' to be a Toastmaster to an illegal piss-up. No, leadership was the Queen sat alone at a funeral, like so many of her subjects had to do. Not carrying on with your unprofessional boozy work culture and then have your team crow about how they 'got away with it' when they successfully didn't vomit in front of the cameras there for another press conference telling everyone how important it was to stick to the rules.

Johnson knew it wasn't right to have birthday parties when he personally wrote to a kid saying they were right to not have theirs, but then thought it was just fine to have one of his own and then announce that all rules had been followed to Parliament? (The police disagree, as does anyone who was forced to cancel their own celebrations).

Telling people that it was his duty to have a party for leaving colleagues while at the same time people couldn't be with dying family?

And now they are having the gall to say that he has accepted full responsibility? How? That sort of statement is followed by a resignation, not a 'now let's forget about it and move on'. How has he demonstrated that he has done anything apart from his utmost to weasel out of taking any sort of responsibility, to the point of asking Sue Gray to give up on her report? The report that that he told the rest of us that we had to wait months for the outcome of to find out what he already knew.

He says he wants to deliver what the British people want. Polls said yesterday that a majority want him to resign. Get the fuck on with it then.

But polls also showed that only a tiny minority of people actually believe he has the integrity to do the right thing (learned from bitter experience).

So what, the British people are stuck with this craven, corrupt liar as leader?

Well no. He could be no-confidenced by his MPs. What the fuck are they waiting for? Do they think it is to their benefit to have him shitting over public office every day? 'Oh but they can't think of anyone better'. What exactly does that say about the state of the Tory party if that's true?

Cannot stand seeing his face, hearing his pathetic lies, seeing his shitty schtick any more. JUST FUCK OFF BORIS.

No way would Thatcher, Major, May or even Cameron have rewritten the ministerial code for their own purposes.

Anyone still intending to support Johnson is as far as I'm concerned as lacking in integrity as he is. Or utterly unable to see him for what he is.

Johnson apologists - corrupt or stupid.

This is not about Labour or Conservative, this is about integrity. This is about being able to have some faith that however self serving an individual politician is that somehow there are limits and eventual sanctions. Johnson lying to us, being found to continually lie and break rules and carry on as if nothing had happened should be concerning for all if us. On top of this he changed the Ministerial code so his wrong doings are no longer wrong doings. What more does he need to do to show his unsuitability for high office?

Exactly. It's about integrity and being fit to serve. Whatever I thought of Thatcher I never doubted her integrity.

Johnson isn't unfit to serve because he's a Conservative politician. He's unfit to serve because he's a sociopathic liar and he's surrounded by incompetent nodding dogs with no moral fibre who with a few back bench exceptions, won't challenge his unfitness for office.

Anyone still prepared to give their vote to him has no integrity either.

I totally agree. And thatcher would never have knowingly lied to parliament.
I just despair,

I do agree that previous Tory leaders would not have stooped so low.

The problem is, most Tory MPs seem content to leave him in power, which confirms that they are as lacking in integrity as he is.

No Thatcher would never have lied to Parliament. I hated her but she had integrity whether or not I agreed with her policies.

May wasn't an effective PM but she wouldn't have lied to Parliament either.

Johnson is unlike any PM we've ever seen and I have no respect whatsoever for anyone who's preparing to support him in any forthcoming election.

Sorry I haven’t RTFT but I think his ability to be absolutely Teflon is his skill as a politician. Whatever you think of him he is a brilliant politician. I think he knows that the electorate will forgive x but not y, for example they will forgive a Tory toff philandering and doing abit of lying as long as he says the right things and is contrite when needed but shows strength and unending confidence. He also knows that the electorate will not tolerate weakness, even if the person is perceived to be moral, like Keir starmer. Just my opinion but this is politics not morality.

It rather depends whether you're a staunch supporter of "your party" or a swing voter. Ideologically I wouldn't ever vote for any of the other parties that currently exist. Neither would I abstain from voting. Which leaves me voting Conservative by default.

I'm not a big fan of Boris, I'd prefer Sunak as PM. But BJ will inevitably be replaced at some point. I also think now isn't the right time for a leadership contest.

Who the fuck are the 11% who voted yabu

And still some people are whining on about their views on Labour.

Still there are mealy mouthed excuses for continuing to support a sociopathic liar.

Thankfully the post I was referring to has been deleted though I didn't report it.

Nice try, Crankley. You'd better get your invoice in quickly while there's still a chance of payment. It's all teetering on the brink, soon, it will tip.👋

12% now

I once had a poll on here about Gavin Williamson being knighted (god, there's another thing that corrupt Boris did in order to protect Boris, had forgotten about that one) and 4% of people voted that it was fine for him to get a knighthood. Presumably they didn't have kids of school age.

There's just no helping some people.

I think there must be a small core of MN users who just believe that everyone is unreasonable about everything.

Well over 80 posters who are prepared to see Johnson continue in office or vote for him again.

Despicable.

Well the letters of discontent from conservative
MPs are trickling in now they’ve seen the latest polling. Worried about their own seats rather than suddenly finding integrity…

It may not be enough to topple Johnson but he must worried which is why he’s talking about imperial measurements again.

And totally baffling!

I refuse to believe he is a brilliant politician. People just keep repeating that because he gets away with anything. That’s not because he’s a brilliant politician, it’s because of the people who are doing nothing about him and are keeping him where he is.

I was of the mind that it's just Johnson who needs to go but I'm increasingly thinking every single one of them needs to fuck off. They are all absolute bullshitters.

Watching this week's Peston earlier and Tobias Elwood was talking about government plans to use mini nuclear reactors to address the energy crisis. He said that Rolls Royce have a fantastic one, 60 of which could power the whole country, but it was being held up by the treasury as there needs to be a second supplier to comply with competition law and currently there is only the Rolls Royce one. All sounded very sensible and a bit annoying that the treasury are holding it up with red tape. Just buy the bloody things right?

Except DH pipes up from behind his computer that it's all bullshit. The only commercial available one is Russian. Hands up who wants to buy a Russian reactor? Rolls Royce are selling the idea of one, it's not commercial available. They haven't built a prototype and have no idea if it will work and be safe (the American abandoned their research into them on safety grounds). They want the treasury to invest in the development of their reactor which will take years to bring to market. Plus we'd need hundreds of them to power the country not the 60 claimed

So basically they have an energy plan based on wishful thinking rather than reality. It's another Garden Bridge, although much more expensive.

I'm just sick of it

Should have said, DH is a nuclear scientist so does actually know he's talking about.

It's funny how they'll be talking about something and it's suddenly something you know about and you realise it's a load of wank. Then you wonder how much wank is being churned out on the stuff you don't know about.

Same when they recently wittered on about raising GCSE pass rates by 2030. The govt decide in advance how many kids will pass GCSE and then the grade boundaries are set, so they could raise them to the required level by August if they wanted. Literally no effort required.

Being as my MP is refusing to reply to my letters, I'm thinking of writing to the chair of the local Conservative party.
Maybe they can pass on constituents concerns.

Do they hold surgeries? I'd be tempted to pitch up and ask when their letter was going in.

Either the LBC phone in is being swamped by mnetters or the tides finally turning for BJ.
The last caller was comparing him to Mugabe.