Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

Glad to see you minou

I missed the last parts , just after I posted had to go sort something out. What's after the break?
No punches landed for me so far, think C really slipped up with 'didn't think she'd have to face her abuser' - I was like wait, what? But not sure who will win , hope it's not Elaine doing too much she just doesn't have presence.

Camille is gorgeous, but not keen on the bottom bow.

Male lawyer always looks good, but he fiddles with his teeny tiny bald patch.

I think JD and AH are doing well to even show up ontime, TBH. Let alone look tip top.

Also hope, for AHs sake, not Elaine.

So next is AH team to talk about thier defence to JD claim of defamation

I think Rotterborn said yesterday that he and Elaine will split it. Similar to what Ben and Camille just did. But they may have changed thier mind.

Oh wow that was quick after all. I was gearing up for it to feel like forever.

... and then they finish in time for lunch.
So do we come back on Tuesday? I suppose lovely judge will tell us.

Oh no it continues after that 😁

So, next AH team do thier bit of the defence of JD claim of defamation. It continues.

But then, JD team get back up and do thier closing of thier defence to AH counterclaim.

Then, finally, AH team get up and do thier closing of thier counterclaim of defamation.

Maybe she's writing a note to pass over to JD. 'U R A PRICK'

OH. I did not realise this.

Not the post it, the back and forth. So will we go on past lunch minou?

It's not really about what she says, for me. There is evidence of JD smashing up stuff around the house and all the rest of it. He admits it himself and that's abusive. Even if 90% of what she says is untrue, the rest of it is bad enough.

Oh yes. I imagine until 3pm thier time (8pm our time), when you include breaks and lunch and the final instructions from the judge.

Also, privately, something we won't see, is they will decide which jurors will deliberate.

There are 9 jurors, but only 7 will deliberate and give the verdict. This is randomly chosen.

I don't think we will get a verdict today. I would be very surprised. Although @StormzyinaTCup is much better at predicting things than me.

Elaine attaching microphone doesn[t bode well.

Oh, she did not turn it on. It[s on now.

@minou123 big thanks for that.

Cheesy lawyer alert...

But what she said IS important. It’s everything.

if she’d said John y was abusive because he smashed up the place - fine.

but she has said Johnny beat me black and blue almost day and raped me.

that’s defamation to me. She’s accused him of battery and rape. But not formally to the police so he could be tried for the crime
and be found guilty or not guilty.

she accused him in the court of public opinion only - and so this is now where we are.

This guy not good. I am bored.

Is it about Depp or not, I’m sure he’s just said both

She said herself, yesterday, this was about JD, so give it up already.

I’m checking in too😁 - just finished work but was in the office on my own so YouTube went on at 2pm👍🏻.

I thought both Camille and Ben closing statements were excellent and hit exactly the right points and made the event timelines clear to the Jury

@minou123 Ben gave the Jury an ‘out’ for want of a better word and, if the Jury were so inclined, would mean it could be wrapped up by late this afternoon (US time). Let’s see what happens.

Not you bouls!

OMG @StormzyinaTCup imagine if it was decided today!

Smashing the place up is NOT automatically and of itself, abusive.

I've lived with throwers and smashers.

Theres the kind who go away and throw something/punch something/slam something in another room, away from the person they're arguing/fighting with.

Theres the kind that turn away from you and throw things the other way.

Theres the kind who throw things or smash things NEAR you but not quite hitting you, in a 'look what i COULD do' kinda way (my mother!)

THeres the kind who go and trash YOUR stuff not theirs.

Theres the kind who actually throw stuff at you..

Not all of these are abusive! I was advised by psychologists to go and hit things! I went and hit drums but if I hadn't been a drummer and had a drum kit... would I have been abusive for going away and hitting pillows?

My sister would go away and hack at a huge log we had with an axe - violent, hell yes but better than throwing things AT people which she did (4lb dumb-bell, fractured my skull) prior to that coping strategy.

Surely there comes a point if you trap someone in a fight, and you refuse to let them leave, and you keep on provoking them, hitting them, throwing things at them... they'll retaliate and you have brought that on yourself?

OK, I'm going to speak up fir him, hear me out.

Rotterborn is a good lawyer, and he is focusing on the law, rather than emotion.

What he is doing is drawing on the sense of being "American" and the importance of "1st Amendment" I.e free speech.

This doesn't mean much to us. In my opinion, we British people, don't have the same level of patriotism as the US.
But from my experience, this is very important to Americans. We are currently seeing how important thier gun laws are to them, (I can't remember which Amendment that is).

Its a great strategy