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watching a town completely die

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BlessedByTheShitFairy · 25/05/2022 13:37

This is so sad really, the town where I grew up. I know many business folded during covid and many high street staples have been closing for years, but this is different.

It's a large town, over 400K population, had a bustling, varied and thriving centre for most it's history, has now lost, and many before covid:

Debs, Next, M&S, Topshop, H&M, Body Shop, its central post office, game shops, cafes, most youth related places such as skating, bowling, carts, ALL restaurants (no exaggeration), health food stores, 2 shopping centres, most pubs, it's huge market, several banks, nightclubs, a town centre co-op, Spar, book shops, many charity shops and all of it's high end hair salons. Even the Starbucks slid off and the main post office was reduced from around 10 staff to 1 and shoved into a tiny toilet sized cubicle on the periphery of the borough.

These have been survived and replaced by - pop up eyebrow/lashes salons, fast food joints, poundshops, phone-unlocking shops, cash converter type shops, Primark (it's only remaining clothes store), Iceland, and the rest if boarded up. Interestingly a ton of privately owned car parks have taken over the area and hardly anyone uses them. It is unrecognisable from even 7 years ago. It now only attracts crime, heavy drinking, and a much less diverse population.

I know many towns have experienced closures of big brands, and things are simply changing (the net, everything online, etc) but this is really extreme, especially in comparison to a few years ago, it was not particularly suffering a decline. I do know that the council slowly sold off everything over the years, and have sent 2 huge shopping centres to their doom by selling to overseas investors who never came and filled them, so they are like enormous empty spaces that attract crime.

I don't currently live there but my remaining family that do say they never go in to town anymore, and feel forced to buy everything from standalone supermarkets in other areas.
I live in a fairly average town that has seen changes but there are also attempts at rejuvenation. Things are still ok and thriving in the centre. I am also aware that many towns are coping ok, taking the rough with the smooth, even though these issues have increased across the uk over all.

What could have happened to this one? Why so desolate and different? It is like the council just gave up sold it off and turned away. It never used to suffer so much crime, and the sound of police and ambulances is constant around the area now. The town centre was it's pride and joy, had so much put into it (festivals, events), so I can't understand how it got so bad.
Even the people who you see there now are all strangely similar (dress the same, same behaviours) and the diversity has vanished. Curiously rents are still super high and I have no idea who is taking them, if at all.

I feel sad about it because I grew up there, and have so many good memories of my teens when it was thriving, packed and full of interesting places to go and shop. The pubs were visited from far and wide, and it had a great college, access to learning, and much more culture. Now it is lucky to hold on to a handful of football clubs and that's the only interest left. Where and why did everything just die? It was previously so bloody alive.

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Johnnysgirl · 25/05/2022 13:41

That's really sad Sad

icecreamcart · 25/05/2022 13:44

Things have got harder for shops. It hasn't impacted those at the council that are paid a wage regardless. They'll wake up next year and wonder 💔 really sad.

BlessedByTheShitFairy · 25/05/2022 13:49

So do you think a problem at this level is council driven or just the collapse of the companies? Most of these companies are thriving in other towns in the same part of the country. There's definitely something amiss with this one.

I recall the H&M was always packed up to last year. It just suddenly emptied and eventually closed. Primark is very active!

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parietal · 25/05/2022 13:53

these things have a bunch of causes - new out-of-town shopping or less parking > less people shopping > cafe closes > less footfall > other little shops close > no investment because no one cares > council have no money and raise the parking charges --> less footfall ...

there are towns that have turned it around. normally a combination of proper council investment in putting events / pop-ups in the empty properties and some transport investment.

but with the combination of brexit and tories taking money from local councils, there is nothing left. i'm sorry.

SheWoreYellow · 25/05/2022 13:58

One big thing that has driven the move from town centre to retail park is parking. I think there should have been some scheme to subsidise in town parking. If it was somehow free for a few hours then people would have been more inclined to go into town.

Is 400k a typo? That’s a city the size of Bristol.

BlessedByTheShitFairy · 25/05/2022 13:58

Something else that strikes me about it, unlike anywhere else I have lived, is that everything seems very 'male' centric.

Any remaining activities or interests are alrgely associated with men (heavy drinking culture, football, most of the gyms are small with only male participants, lots of groups of boys but rarely girls, barely any female clothes stores).
There are no yoga or pilates classes at all, no more horse riding, decent safe spaces, typical female things. I'm sorry if that seems inappropriate (we know gender shouldn't be stereotyped). It's just weirdly aggressive now too.

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BlessedByTheShitFairy · 25/05/2022 13:59

SheWoreYellow · 25/05/2022 13:58

One big thing that has driven the move from town centre to retail park is parking. I think there should have been some scheme to subsidise in town parking. If it was somehow free for a few hours then people would have been more inclined to go into town.

Is 400k a typo? That’s a city the size of Bristol.

Sorry, it's actually 370K

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SheWoreYellow · 25/05/2022 14:03

370k rounded up is 400k 😊

That’s totally crap.

Lolliepoppie · 25/05/2022 14:05

Out of town shopping centres.

That’s it. You can park for free and close to the door. Huge buildings with economies of scale and lots of choice in 1 place.

Town centres just can’t compete, with the burden of high business rates, high rents, expensive and limited parking.

Where I live councils have reacted by…putting up parking charges in town centres 🙊.

BlessedByTheShitFairy · 25/05/2022 14:07

SheWoreYellow · 25/05/2022 14:03

370k rounded up is 400k 😊

That’s totally crap.

No need for combat, I rounded it up to what I remembered and hadn't double checked. It hardly makes a scrap of difference to my op.

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watcherintherye · 25/05/2022 14:07

What area? Our small city in the South seems to be surviving closures because it’s quite ‘touristy’, so food and coffee outlets seem to thrive, still. We’ve lost our Debenhams, and the main post office, plus numerous smaller units are lying empty. Most people now use the PO in Waitrose on the edge of town, and I think there are a couple of mini POs in convenience stores dotted around. I feel sad when I see the large, grand old building that was our PO lying empty for years. I suppose that was the trouble - too big and rent too high.

MintJulia · 25/05/2022 14:09

We've come out the other side of that process. We got a new council who appointed a town centre manager a few years ago.

Now we have street markets, farmers markets, Christmas markets, Jubilee activities, craft fairs etc.

The restaurants are gradually coming back, two new ones opening this weekend. Next has opened a new shop. But a lot of shops have changed, fewer chains, more independents.

Parking is more flexible, more outside activities. Refurb of the Victorian gardens during lockdown. Now we have tennis courts and well kept flower beds, a bowling green, crazy golf, a clean skate park. Even a boating pond. They all get used. Fewer people can afford to go abroad. Vandalism is less because there are more people around.

Odessafile · 25/05/2022 14:11

Not Bolton is it ? Very similar experience. Just a grim northern town. One of the reasons we want to move back to my home city in Yorks when I retire. City centre is full of empty shops, homeless begging on every corner, if you dress up you feel very out of place !

BlessedByTheShitFairy · 25/05/2022 14:11

Having people I love there I feel bad naming it. It is a very large borough, though. It is in the North of England. It seems to have more people in it that a small city, not sure how that works!

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BlessedByTheShitFairy · 25/05/2022 14:14

It isn't Bolton but close.

It makes me feel angry that the council might have been able to do something to avoid this. I can't even see how it could be revived, but then I am no expert! It is the comparison to what it used to be that is so upsetting. It had it's issues but feels unrecognisable to me. As far as local politics goes, it is a safe seat, never budged in the history of....budging Grin

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nearlyspringyay · 25/05/2022 14:15

Out of town retail and the internet. I work in this field and it's not just your town.

WFH has also killed many businesses. The rates situation hasn't helped.

A lot of towns are now looking at converting to resi with the help of levelling up funding but that hasn't been fairly awarded.

The traditional high street won't recover.

I don't get your point about male centric, that's supply and demand.

cptartapp · 25/05/2022 14:15

Sounds very like like where I live in the North. I'm sure it's not uncommon. Almost unrecognisable now in the centre from when I was a child.

nearlyspringyay · 25/05/2022 14:16

NE or NW?

MrsJorahMormont · 25/05/2022 14:18

Parking is one of the biggest issues killing town centres. We need proper strategic town planning that can project ahead.

MarshaBradyo · 25/05/2022 14:19

That's tough

there’s an odd contrast as here it’s the opposite, the high street boomed in the pandemic as all the people wfh instead

Iamthewombat · 25/05/2022 14:21

I guessed Sunderland.

I’d be interested in whether it’s a town whose proximity to a bigger city has sucked the life out of it. Interesting that a PP mentioned Bolton. That has definitely suffered by its proximity to Manchester and is now looking very sorry for itself.

Is that the case, OP? You don’t need to name the town unless you want to.

Iamthewombat · 25/05/2022 14:22

It’s Wigan, isn’t it?

nearlyspringyay · 25/05/2022 14:24

If it is Sunderland they have received c£20m in the first round of levelling up, they have chosen to spend over half on two relatively small housing developments, the rest is going on an education facility.

ABBAsnumberonefan · 25/05/2022 14:25

I’d guess Bury maybe.

Swayingpalmtrees · 25/05/2022 14:25

I came on thinking it was a thread about Ukraine.
In comparison to what I thought the thread was going to be about this doesn't seem so bad. Ask your MP what they intend to do to revive growth. Ultimately it the people of the town making bad choices about where to buy. Our town is very much supported, so it has survived covid.