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watching a town completely die

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BlessedByTheShitFairy · 25/05/2022 13:37

This is so sad really, the town where I grew up. I know many business folded during covid and many high street staples have been closing for years, but this is different.

It's a large town, over 400K population, had a bustling, varied and thriving centre for most it's history, has now lost, and many before covid:

Debs, Next, M&S, Topshop, H&M, Body Shop, its central post office, game shops, cafes, most youth related places such as skating, bowling, carts, ALL restaurants (no exaggeration), health food stores, 2 shopping centres, most pubs, it's huge market, several banks, nightclubs, a town centre co-op, Spar, book shops, many charity shops and all of it's high end hair salons. Even the Starbucks slid off and the main post office was reduced from around 10 staff to 1 and shoved into a tiny toilet sized cubicle on the periphery of the borough.

These have been survived and replaced by - pop up eyebrow/lashes salons, fast food joints, poundshops, phone-unlocking shops, cash converter type shops, Primark (it's only remaining clothes store), Iceland, and the rest if boarded up. Interestingly a ton of privately owned car parks have taken over the area and hardly anyone uses them. It is unrecognisable from even 7 years ago. It now only attracts crime, heavy drinking, and a much less diverse population.

I know many towns have experienced closures of big brands, and things are simply changing (the net, everything online, etc) but this is really extreme, especially in comparison to a few years ago, it was not particularly suffering a decline. I do know that the council slowly sold off everything over the years, and have sent 2 huge shopping centres to their doom by selling to overseas investors who never came and filled them, so they are like enormous empty spaces that attract crime.

I don't currently live there but my remaining family that do say they never go in to town anymore, and feel forced to buy everything from standalone supermarkets in other areas.
I live in a fairly average town that has seen changes but there are also attempts at rejuvenation. Things are still ok and thriving in the centre. I am also aware that many towns are coping ok, taking the rough with the smooth, even though these issues have increased across the uk over all.

What could have happened to this one? Why so desolate and different? It is like the council just gave up sold it off and turned away. It never used to suffer so much crime, and the sound of police and ambulances is constant around the area now. The town centre was it's pride and joy, had so much put into it (festivals, events), so I can't understand how it got so bad.
Even the people who you see there now are all strangely similar (dress the same, same behaviours) and the diversity has vanished. Curiously rents are still super high and I have no idea who is taking them, if at all.

I feel sad about it because I grew up there, and have so many good memories of my teens when it was thriving, packed and full of interesting places to go and shop. The pubs were visited from far and wide, and it had a great college, access to learning, and much more culture. Now it is lucky to hold on to a handful of football clubs and that's the only interest left. Where and why did everything just die? It was previously so bloody alive.

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WhatNoRaisins · 01/06/2022 06:30

I agree that these centres need to be for a mix of services, becoming too dependent on one thing, in most cases shopping, is a risky move that's not paid off.

Any solution needs to work with current behaviour. Like people wanting to briefly "pop in" or how people who go to use a service are more likely to use shops near it.

With the trend for ordering clothes online, trying on and sending back I'm wondering if there could be some sort of shop where you request the clothes online, go in to try them on and then buy what you want. It would be better than the familiar situation where you go in and they don't stock what you need so you go online.

Badbadbunny · 01/06/2022 07:01

@WhatNoRaisins

With the trend for ordering clothes online, trying on and sending back I'm wondering if there could be some sort of shop where you request the clothes online, go in to try them on and then buy what you want. It would be better than the familiar situation where you go in and they don't stock what you need so you go online.

Quite a few of the big chains let you order online to be delivered into stores for you to collect, try on and then return in store.

Anytimeiseeit · 01/06/2022 07:25

WhatNoRaisins · 01/06/2022 06:30

I agree that these centres need to be for a mix of services, becoming too dependent on one thing, in most cases shopping, is a risky move that's not paid off.

Any solution needs to work with current behaviour. Like people wanting to briefly "pop in" or how people who go to use a service are more likely to use shops near it.

With the trend for ordering clothes online, trying on and sending back I'm wondering if there could be some sort of shop where you request the clothes online, go in to try them on and then buy what you want. It would be better than the familiar situation where you go in and they don't stock what you need so you go online.

That’s an interesting idea. I am guilty of ordering lots to be sent to store, trying on instore and returning there and then the items that I don’t want. I’d love it if I could do that without actually buying until I’d tried on.

Odessafile · 01/06/2022 08:11

We are getting fixated with shopping. If folk are struggling to pay for basics, shops will fail simple as that. If towns don't have well paid employment opportunities there just isn't the money floating round to pay for coffees or nice clothes. Hence small but affluent areas are packed full of waitroses, artisan coffee shops, toast and other up a
market branches and a very much less affluent town of 300,000 has 1 in 4 shops empty.

DanglingMod · 01/06/2022 14:59

People clearly are struggling to pay for basics - it's not a myth but a fact...

However, just been into my city centre and it is as heaving as usual, with people buying fancy coffees and lunches, loaded up with shopping bags from cheap and expensivr stores... the car parks are full (£1.80 an hour ish)... we're not an affluent area, just an average one. There is plenty of money around, seemingly, just not evenly distributed.

Burgoo · 01/06/2022 15:02

We have the same issue here. Used to have a lot of unique shops and mainstream stores and over time its been taken over by nail bars, hairdressers, charity shops and betting places. Its sad.

User135644 · 01/06/2022 15:57

Wigan does struggle from its geography. It's between two major cities in Liverpool and Manchester, that are half an hour away on the train or 15 miles in the car to the Trafford Centre, 20 miles to Liverpool city centre or 30 miles to Cheshire Oaks. The town can't compete. Bolton down the road is the same.

Plenty of towns are doing better due to higher footfall with commuters in the area WFH.

User135644 · 01/06/2022 15:58

Burgoo · 01/06/2022 15:02

We have the same issue here. Used to have a lot of unique shops and mainstream stores and over time its been taken over by nail bars, hairdressers, charity shops and betting places. Its sad.

That's consumer demand.

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